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[luminoKo]

The reason I make this topic is after a long discussion with the DemoBase Admins (Dena, Luminaire, Xillax and Yankowich) about the rules for this community. Now you all wonder exactly what I mean by that, so I try to explain it as clear as possible:

We are a community of SoF2 MP Test. Now the most of the admins except me does NOT agree by banning players here on the forum if they have cheated (even admitted they cheated). For example if a player called 'Killer' has admitted he cheated, he can still be registred here and discuss with us. Some players will agree with this, but some were also complaining about this (for example Windoxx can still create an account here meanwhile has violated the rules several times). About NOT sending demos these admins agree the same, NOT banning. But how can you ever check if someone cheats then? So I totally didn't agree with these admins their opinion and decided to make this topic.

I will make a specific poll, about cheating. I hope everybody has time to bring his vote, because this is really important and has a lot of influence on many things here on DemoBase.


BEFORE VOTING IN THE POLL, THIS IS WHAT IS MEANT BY 'CHEATING':

- PLAYERS NOT SENDING A DEMOS
- PLAYERS CAUGHT ON CHEATING
- PLAYERS ADMITTING CHEATING
- PLAYERS VIOLATING SPECIFIC RULES


Once this poll has a result, a new poll will be created about the type of violations and the time for temporary bans!

[martijntje]

what is meant by: violating specific rules?
which 'specific' rules

[ind0steelo]

what is meant by: violating specific rules?
which 'specific' rules

look by forum rules in forum index first topic.

[skyloline]

nice topic lumi, really useful...

to be honest.. I couldn't get on my mind for which one to vote, first or second one..
One thing is clear.. cheaters must be punished. Well, a one oppurtunity is to ban them from a forum temporary time, but.. he still can play the game..
What gives the sof2 player that he can't look forum for a temporary time.. there are others community's too ( NTG, SOF2EU ) etc.. he will just register in other community and post on etc..
in my opinion busted players should get banned from temporary time in most played server, top gun etc..
I'm not talking this because I'm busted also and i want to stay in forum and not get banned in forum.

So.. i wont vote because i couldn't decide..

[PhaZe]

Why u even make a poll? Look the kids voting '3. Cheating should not be punished at all here' lmao.. Just make a decision btw admins.. Oh yeah I voted 1!

[skyloline]

after a bit thinking , i must admit that i must agree with 1st suggestion

[VARIMR]

ban cheater if hes annoying

[luminoKo]

Why u even make a poll?

Because the Admins don't want to ban cheaters or players who does not send demos.

[Aytuo]

Players who doesn't send demos shouldn't be banned rofl, I already forgot to record 1 war, what? Must I be banned? Cheaters who are caught or admited should be banned. No more imo.

[PhaZe]

Why u even make a poll?

Because the Admins don't want to ban cheaters or players who does not send demos.

I see well strange admins u got then. Just take decision 1 but with the not sending demo things I'd suggest u say after 2-3times because everyone can forget to record once in a while.

[luminoKo]

Yeah I mean that Ahmed, like the first nothing happends, the second time 3 days ban and after that 2 weeks ban per time.

[PhaZe]

I think DB shouldn't allow cheaters etc, they r most of the time annoying on the forums, they provoke flamewars and since we're a sof2 demo forum we should take initiatives from sof2 demo. So if ur a cheater ur not welcome here imo.

[Mario]

I think cheaters such as Mgod, illuminatti should be banned here forever. You can also temporaraly ban someone that has been clean for many years then all of a sudden started hackin godfrey, hasta i think these people get a second chance cause you know they have selfdicipline.

[BladHark]

I'm quoting this for dio so dont come whining to me because this has nothing to do with me

''It should start by now, since it would be quite unfair deal rofl. A bit even too harsh. By now i mean from the day it will be accepted. Also i think all should get their new chance, if they spoil it, their own mistake. ''

[Aytuo]

By banning them here, it makes a sanction, if they like db they won't cheat anymore to try to be back here. We should ban them.

[aCid]

"Also i think all should get their new chance, if they spoil it, their own mistake. ''

so typical words for a hacker(dio)

[Inou]

we have to make m understand, the nice guys too. harsh but necesary. BÃ

[Dena]

First of all.. those voting options are hardly understandable. Im having hard time choosing which one to vote, because i cant understand what stands in there

In my opinion these forums should be isolated completely from the game. There is a lot more in here too, xept the game (free talk, css, music, netbossrap and other crap). Its totally different situation if you spread hacks or encourage people to hack. These guys are abusing the forums and therefore should be definately banned.

By isolating i mean, that demobase forums shouldnt have control over what people do in public, or in cws. We can make a blacklist of players who are not sending their demos,cheats etc.. its up to the clans to decide if they recruit or play with/against these blacklisted players.

As we have seen, banning someone from these forums is not the solution. The player will keep on playing with different nicks/ip. Problem are the clans who take time after time these busted/"gold" players in.

Also getting banned of not sending demos. What kind of idiotism is that? Why not get banned if you whine/curse in the war? Would make it far easier wouldnt it? Imo its the clans agreement (unless its demobase sponsored cup), if they record or not. If clan puts a won match on their website where one of their players didnt record.. we gonna ban whole clan from the forums then?

If we go with the rules presented above, we would need to ban 2/3 of the admins + 95% of the current forum users. Ofcourse its up to the community how they want the forums to work.. we are here just to make sure people play by the rules chosen

[Seych]

Yankko has a good point. The forum and the game are two separate things, and since the forum admins really haven't been selected to be the grand admins/leaders of the entire community, so they shouldn't have the power to decide who get busted and who get to play. They are only in control of the forum and decide who gets to flame and who dont.

Useless to argue whether people not sending records should be banned, because its pretty much useless even to ban guys like mgod. Admins wont allow them to talk about cheats here or spread the cheats here anyways and getting banned here doesn't stop them from playing wars and on public. Someone would stop cheating so that he could use the forums? Uhh ok. Of course the admins can sort of try to isolate certain people from the community by banning them here, but then again, do the admins have the right to remove the players from the community? No, they dont, they only have the right to stop people from for example being racist on the forums. If we want a commitee who busts players and makes sure they'll get banned everywhere thats another thing. I noticed that I just copied yank, so thanks.