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Was thinking exactly the same

[luminoKo]

^farlig has 14 kills while reflex is 3/11 and xillax is 2/11.

Sorry to interupt exe, but this is bs lol..

If you check most screenshots you'll see (only in c4. already, not to mention the rest like 3v. and sK.) that reflex has always one of the best scores, but skoko is doing like most work in conf.

For me personally is the best player the player who brings the most damage so the rest of the team can survive the round. Of course good aim is required, but smart walking and nades count as well bringing the total damage. I can now mention names I don't agree with your top5 but that doesn't add any value to this topic, just reminding you there are certainly better players lol

[fleim]

Keep thinkin that your little bro butt buddies fleim and camper are the best in this game

i _highly_ doubt anyone thinks im the best in this game as i started playing in clans like two years ago

why are u coming up with staff's name all the time anyway? he doesnt play anymore and he probably never will, theres no reason u should compare him with players who are on top atm

[NavySeal]

who you gunna replace on the list rex, probably camham the most overrated player lol but i agree theres a few people that come to mind that i could interchange with zippa/ross, they're still top 8 without a doubt

and dr funk shut your mouth bout issues you don't understand. You never played in the pony days you either were in some shitty elim level clan or you didnt play sof at all, either way your opinion on matters that date back that far are irrelevent. Staff was one of if not THE best player in this mp test, just because you never played against him doesn't mean its not true

same shit for the farlig issue, for the first 3 years of haze's existence farlig was the most dominant player in this game. Back in the time when OG was actually good (father christmas days) and farlig played this game more than twice a year he was a top2 player in everybody's opinion that played competitively. Even nowadays he can come back after 6 months of not playing and still be on top for haze.

I'm sure you don't even realize how stupid you just made yourself sound to all the people who actually played during the times of staff & farlig dr. Keep thinkin that your little bro butt buddies fleim and camper are the best in this game

Staff and Farlig used to be the best, Staff doesnt play anymore and Farlig isnt as good as he used to be. I can name 20 players who are better right now.

[doctorfunk]

you missed my point entirely.. but yea people never had faith in us last year and we all know how that turned out
4 out of 5 key players is pretty much the same if u ask me

Haven't seen you guys a lot lately, plus when you are playing you ain't as good as the old -code-.
That's why I think -aMeX- has a bigger chance then you, personally they are tougher for me to beat with
their best players playing. But still you guys have a solid chance of winning so goodluck.

[Blade]

exciting topic, keep going boys.
got freeday so i can spend it by reading and laughing here

[doctorfunk]

that's laughing through tears!
I bet you are still thinking "what if I hit the Ze when he was still in the bunker" :S

how about xF? They don't have the depth, but if they can get best lineup they may be dangerous
camper spacer merax raul + 5th, could be challenging lineup

[Myzrael]

i usually avoid arguing in such topics,and i won't start with it.
Tho i'm kinda inactive because of the lack of time,and because of that,im aware that i ain't on that level as i used to be before,let me add my 2 cents to this.

I'm playing this since it's out. I kinda know the well-known players skill,behavior and gamestyle,played alot with or against them.Important thing is to make a difference between 'the best' currently and 'the best players in sof2mp history'.
This is gettin confused sometimes i think.

Snugg,reflex,angel,zippa and a few others are truly excellent players with exceptional skills,able to win 5v1 situations on a regular basis.Imo doctorfunk or butcher ,and many who post here (dont mind it,its just my opinion),never been and never will be on this level.

But call it friends politics or not,i do not understand why -HaZe- became so underrated in polls.We are stable,not dying like the top clans which come and go except c4. Dont get me wrong, 3v. been really absolutely great,she and cc are back and stronger then ever,and im very happy about it,i like both clans and their members.Still,dont forget it that coreplayers of all 3 of these clans had a time in -HaZe- aswell,which probably was of great help of everyone.But its useless to make some uber-leet clans/teams and win a few games if it dies anyway.I'm still playing this FOR -HaZe-,to play with the greatest guys in my eyes,who been loyal to the clan.This formation of Gzuz,Ol.,Farlig,Radical,Reimo,Ambush and others is a joy to play with which most of you guys cant even immagine.Sure,we lose some the last years,mainly because of inactivity.But i'm also sure that we are still able to beat anyone anytime.We are a factor here,if u like or not.Im just saying- never underestimate -HaZe-.

For the reasons mentioned at the begining,i won't even vote here,useless.

[RiffyCille]

I go for aMeX alot of quality in there tbh..

[luminoKo]

Important thing is to make a difference between 'the best' currently and 'the best players in sof2mp history.

But call it friends politics or not,i do not understand why -HaZe- became so underrated in polls.We are stable,not dying like the top clans which come and go except c4.

Are you saying that players can't be one of the best if a clan dies? It doesn't have to be the player it's fault a clan dies where he or she is in it.

[Myzrael]

of course not. but a strong steady clan,and the ability of teamwork is also important. i told that particulary bcs of the issue about Staff,who is inactive now but belongs to the cream of history.
its childish to pick and mark a few words and quote that. read the whole shit

Edited by Myzrael, 09 February 2010 - 11:23 AM.

[BladHark]

you missed my point entirely.. but yea people never had faith in us last year and we all know how that turned out



4 out of 5 key players is pretty much the same if u ask me

and exe, you can put a top 5 all u want, but the truth is, there is no top 5, there are only players who are high skilled, and who ever has his best day usually wins, i owned zippa 20-6 in a 1on1 we played not that long ago and hes in ur top 5 and im probably in ur top 50, go figure.. and yes zippa pwns me before i get noob replys, pewpew!

no offense but last teamcup u didnt have any real competition.
also there might not be a top 5 but there certainly is a top8, theres a big skillgap between the very best and the very good.
the top8 can decide any war, the rest of those good players cant do that, which makes them inferior to the top.
Also winning a 1on1 doesnt mean alot really, especially if its outside a cup.

i usually avoid arguing in such topics,and i won't start with it.
Tho i'm kinda inactive because of the lack of time,and because of that,im aware that i ain't on that level as i used to be before,let me add my 2 cents to this.

I'm playing this since it's out. I kinda know the well-known players skill,behavior and gamestyle,played alot with or against them.Important thing is to make a difference between 'the best' currently and 'the best players in sof2mp history'.
This is gettin confused sometimes i think.

Snugg,reflex,angel,zippa and a few others are truly excellent players with exceptional skills,able to win 5v1 situations on a regular basis.Imo doctorfunk or butcher ,and many who post here (dont mind it,its just my opinion),never been and never will be on this level.

But call it friends politics or not,i do not understand why -HaZe- became so underrated in polls.We are stable,not dying like the top clans which come and go except c4. Dont get me wrong, 3v. been really absolutely great,she and cc are back and stronger then ever,and im very happy about it,i like both clans and their members.Still,dont forget it that coreplayers of all 3 of these clans had a time in -HaZe- aswell,which probably was of great help of everyone.But its useless to make some uber-leet clans/teams and win a few games if it dies anyway.I'm still playing this FOR -HaZe-,to play with the greatest guys in my eyes,who been loyal to the clan.This formation of Gzuz,Ol.,Farlig,Radical,Reimo,Ambush and others is a joy to play with which most of you guys cant even immagine.Sure,we lose some the last years,mainly because of inactivity.But i'm also sure that we are still able to beat anyone anytime.We are a factor here,if u like or not.Im just saying- never underestimate -HaZe-.

For the reasons mentioned at the begining,i won't even vote here,useless.

its because you guys didnt get in any final the last couple of years. Its up to you guys to get back there

[doctorfunk]

Are you saying that players can't be one of the best if a clan dies? It doesn't have to be the player it's fault a clan dies where he or she is in it.

No that's not what he meant ;p

And ye exe it's like me asking you who are top5 players in basketball, and you say - Larry Bird
pretty useless answer since it's impossible to compare players who didn't play versus each other in their prime.
My personal belief is that game evolved and that today's c4 would win c4 from 3years ago. Many players
don't notice it but they improve with time. People learn to play smarter etc, like when Netboss came back, he
said overall level of sof improved(as even utter noobs pwnd him). Well maybe netboss was never really good, but lately what I noticed is that best clans lose to
medskill opponents, not regularly but some games. Didn't see that happen a lot 2years ago.

Well I'm nor surprised -HaZe- isn't listed, since from the time of Great Katana Cup -HaZe- is doing nothing but disappointing.
You guys got outclassed by cC. in last two clan cups, lost to *HtF* who were playing with reserve players. -HaZe- is still a skilled clan
no doubt, you still trash medskill clans. But imo your recent performance disqualifies you from being a contender or important
factor in this cup. But feel free to prove me wrong since I really like -HaZe-
And yes I will be the best player on sof2 only matter of time(!), but you are right about Butcher he has no talent

[luminoKo]

its childish to pick and mark a few words and quote that. read the whole shit

that's why i quoted several lines lol.. don't come with that.

Anyway steef and funk got a point, HaZe might be loyal and stuff but gaming is just like sport; if you dont win you are the underdog and get underestimated, simple.. HaZe didn't want to join cups etc because some players played (remember the whole blacklist-issue few years ago). Of course some guys were not good and noobing around, but it's not like HaZe is an example for this community.. In the early times a lot of complaining.

[Myzrael]

Yep thats all true.
Btw gl Doc:)

The recent performance is ,as you said,the recent one and not the whole thing. I hope we can play in the league again we belong to,thanks for support.
A few unlucky games can make eveything forgotten.

Back to the top players: i think the chemistry is necessary.U can get the best players but if they arent able to work together,for whatever reason..personal issues,ego-trip,or whatever, it has no future.So allow me a small addition: if a great player isnt a help in the clan,he might have 40/0 in the war and u still lose,you won't see him as good anymore since the objective is to win the war and not care about the personal score-

Nice formations are rare, and example was cG in the old days, or c4.since a few yrs.Dutch/belg and polish players
somehow formed a stronger bound as other nations,also bcs of nations cup games,so sometimes its good to have an almost pure dutch team/clan for example.

the complaining always had a reason,and everyone knows that if you war us,it will be 'whine/flame-free'. and its also unique nowadays. like every 2.topic i see flaming 3v vs c4 and stuff.

Edited by Myzrael, 09 February 2010 - 11:38 AM.

[Laffe Herder]

exe always makes me laugh with his insulting posts. always his top5 euro players or top8 or top5 polish players... WHATEVER.
fact is he never proved himself, clancup/teamcup/nationscup. maybe only some moments with 3v.
Reflex/Priest/Xillax are way better than the very best of the best. atleast, thats my opinion.
still wondering why indosteelo isnt mentioned here. his aim is superiour. his only weak point is that he hates glitching, which makes him vulnerable.
and why being so lame about camper? his style makes him a feared player. he can carry his team.
exe, i rather play you than cC.
priest coming back active is one of the best too.
and exe, i dont even belong on that list, so dont worry. there are just other players who belong there instead of zippa/farlig.

[MeraX]

myzrael, dont get me wrong, haze can be a challenging opponent, but they have really become worse ( my guess is inactivity ) and their slogan now is a joke.

[XILLAX]

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myzrael, dont get me wrong, haze can be a challenging opponent, but they have really become worse ( my guess is inactivity ) and their slogan now is a joke.

Yes, and I'd say if they didn't kick Zippa for playing in a mixteam then the rest of she wouldn't have left and they would have stood a far greater chance during this cup, and the previous cup too.

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Guys, this isn't a discussion about top players, but about who you think will win the cup.
If you could please keep on topic that would be great, thank you

[- RAUL -]

that's laughing through tears!
I bet you are still thinking "what if I hit the Ze when he was still in the bunker" :S

how about xF? They don't have the depth, but if they can get best lineup they may be dangerous
camper spacer merax raul + 5th, could be challenging lineup

Best lineup would be Camper, Merax, Spacer, Hawk and cC.RAIT.

[maniman]

id still say amex i even think no team even comes close
2nd and 3rd place will be very tight because even xF and nsz can peform !