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[zangiiq]

jews is not judaism joey..
judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation

[P4P3R]

I never said that. Agertz and Bar are a part of the population segment, this time consisting of a religious movement so to say. In this case Judaism, but their nationality is Israelian.
On the contrary, you seem to be implying that whoever isn't Jewish, therefore isn't Israelian?
Then what about the Muslims who all live in Israel and possess an Israelian passport?
Or perhaps the Christians?

Jew = Judaism = Religion not a nationality.
The Israelian nationality is Israelian, not Jewish.

I'll leave it at that because you seem to be as thickheaded as almost everyone else on the internet.

[Samuel]

I never said that. Agertz and Bar are a part of the population segment, this time consisting of a religious movement so to say. In this case Judaism, but their nationality is Israelian.
On the contrary, you seem to be implying that whoever isn't Jewish, therefore isn't Israelian?
Then what about the Muslims who all live in Israel and possess an Israelian passport?
Or perhaps the Christians?

Jew = Judaism = Religion not a nationality.
The Israelian nationality is Israelian, not Jewish.

I'll leave it at that because you seem to be as thickheaded as almost everyone else on the internet.

Quote from Wikipedia:

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, Yehudim), also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[3][4][5] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

Over the past three thousand years, the name "Israel" has meant in common and religious usage both the Land of Israel and the entire Jewish nation.According to the Bible, Jacob is renamed Israel after successfully wrestling with an angel of God.

The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland;[27][28] scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[29] According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years.[30] The sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel.


Too sad we can't have a proper conversation Joey, cause when you run out of facts, you start to simply offend people. So yeah, conversation is over. You obviously don't know shit about Jewish past and culture.

[zangiiq]

i think joey got slapt :$

[executor]

samuel if you want to be taken seriously, DONT FUCKING QUOTE WIKEPEDIA.

check out the page for Estonia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia

In the first centuries AD political and administrative subdivisions began to emerge in Estonia. Two larger subdivisions appeared: the province (Estonian: kihelkond) and the land (Estonian: maakond). The province comprised several elderships or villages. Nearly all provinces had at least one fortress. The defense of the local area was directed by the highest official, the king or elder. At this time, Sander Vergote emerged as the King of Estonia. With the help of the conquered minions from Avelgem, Belgium, King Vergote ransacked Europe. The terra was composed of one or several provinces, also headed by an elder, king or their collegium. By the 13th century the following major lands had developed in Estonia: Revala, Harjumaa, Saaremaa, Hiiumaa, Läänemaa, Alempois, Sakala, Ugandi, Jogentagana, Soopoolitse, Vaiga, Mõhu, Nurmekund, Järvamaa and Virumaa.[25]

[zangiiq]

exe, tbh that quote is acually truth..

[Eminem]

joey your wrong. israel is not a country that happend to have a jew majority
its a Jew country, founded for jews and by jews to all the jews in the world to have a safety place after the holocaust

your involving two things - the judaism - the beliefe, and just the jew - the nationallity.

and rocket, if you're an esotnian and want to move to the united states it'll take time and efforts and you wont get for sure the visa
sam will get it for sure

in my passport my nationallity is "jew" and i play for team israel. also sam passport shows beneath nationallity "jew"

[P4P3R]

Lol that's just bullshit.. you are saying that any Jew, no matter where in the world he or she lives is automatically an Israelian civilian... no way Jose!

[Eminem]

omg at you joey lol, try to read again slowly what i wrote

[Dena]

Read few pages and dunno if i caught the main point but to me it seems like this debate bout Samuel playing for ISR is ridiculous.

Cat believing being a dog doesn't make it a dog. Nor dog living in a stable make it a horse. You need a certification (passport) before you are something.. certification given to you by authorities.

Correct me if im wrong but according to my knowledge.. you need a PASSPORT to be Israel citizen. Also you cant leave the country without this passport. Its a duty of Israeli people to keep this piece of paper in their possession while being outside the country.

Have the paper? You CAN play
Dont have the paper? You CANT play

Im a simple man living by simple rules. Perhaps i have missed something important?

[asrael]

A jew born in x isn't Israelian.

So, an Israelian passport of you or one of your parents please.

[bing bang blaow]

Even if a jew actually was a NATIONALITY you are playing for team ISR not ..team jew?


It just seems like sam can't make up his mind whats his nationality is.
One year he plays with russians, second year estonians and now he decides he wants to play with isr? haha.

[lauwie]

judaism is a religon and a nation, but being a jew, doesn't make you inhabitant of Israel.

[bing bang blaow]

dude
so
if his case gets accept every Muslim can join team Turkey? Since back in the days(when Turkey was the Ottoman empire) every muslim on earth lived in Turkey so basically the roots of the muslims lay in Turkey

Isn't it Saudi Arabia? ('Cause that's where Meka is at? :/)

[Samuel]

Read few pages and dunno if i caught the main point but to me it seems like this debate bout Samuel playing for ISR is ridiculous.

Cat believing being a dog doesn't make it a dog. Nor dog living in a stable make it a horse. You need a certification (passport) before you are something.. certification given to you by authorities.

Correct me if im wrong but according to my knowledge.. you need a PASSPORT to be Israel citizen. Also you cant leave the country without this passport. Its a duty of Israeli people to keep this piece of paper in their possession while being outside the country.

Have the paper? You CAN play
Dont have the paper? You CANT play

Im a simple man living by simple rules. Perhaps i have missed something important?

You are right, but few days ago Junior was allowed to play for Spain. Does he have a Spain passport? No. His mother is spanish, so he is allowed to play for Spain.

And i repeat once again, my nationality is OFFICIALLY Jewish, not theoretically. And once again Israel is Jewish country nothing else matters. So just explain me Dena, wheres the difference between my case and juniors case.

Even if a jew actually was a NATIONALITY you are playing for team ISR not ..team jew?


It just seems like sam can't make up his mind whats his nationality is.
One year he plays with russians, second year estonians and now he decides he wants to play with isr? haha.

I'm trying to understand purpose of your comments, but i still don't get it. Looks for me that you are playing a fool here. Did you read my and eminems posts? If you did, do it one more time.
I agree i played with Russia And Estonia (both 1 match per each nation, even tho, matches were completely useless), but it's only because i wanted to participate in NC and now i understand it was big mistake, but believe me, if I'd have chance to participate with Israel, i would do it.

JEW IS NATIONALITY can you read that? ISRAEL IS JEWISH COUNTRY. ISRAEL = MY COUNTRY. It will take me 2 days to move to Israel and become citizen there. I bet i should do that so you will let me play for Israel.

I'm done with this conversation. If you can't read, I can't help it. If you can't understand what is Jewish nation, I can't help it.
It's up to admins now (unfortunately).
Just to let you know, i will never ever participate for any other country except for Israel since Israel is available. If I'm not allowed to play with Israel.. unlucky me i guess..

I'm still waiting for full answer (preferably from Doctor @ PM) about admins decision. I need full explanation with step by step comparison with Juniors case. Thank you.

[asrael]

If you want to compare it with juniors case, where is your proof of you/your parents being israelian ?

[Samuel]

dude
so
if his case gets accept every Muslim can join team Turkey? Since back in the days(when Turkey was the Ottoman empire) every muslim on earth lived in Turkey so basically the roots of the muslims lay in Turkey

Isn't it Saudi Arabia? ('Cause that's where Meka is at? :/)

What the fuck guys? Are you really that stupid?

[Samuel]

If you want to compare it with juniors case, where is your proof of you/your parents being israelian ?

Where is your proof that you parents are NL?
Are you kidding me?

[fleim]

as rocket alrdy said

there are jewish nations but if u are jew, u cant just play for some jew country lol. as far as i know judaism is only a religion, not a country.

team.christianity, team.jews, team.muslims, how about religions cup?