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[doctorfunk]

not neutral, lacking objective view

fact is I have no reason to doubt devaz and Five words, also and fp ss was supplied showing all xG on fp
these are the reasons why there will be no rematch. Devaz could have done better job as ref suppling more fp
ss but so could you. If you say xG wasn't on fp then plz prove it with fp ss... So far only proof is that xG was
on fp and you at the end of the game were not.

[heldro]

yes we closed it to be better like kays allready mentioned very well! unfortunately it dident work out, too bad!

[BariS]

Aight, so I've read about this war and I would also like to share my "objective" opinion about it.

First of all, this is what happens if you rather play a cupwar instead of watching Messi score 4 amazing goals ^^. Well anyway, blame the c-league for not enough refs being available at that time.

For the FP matter. Devaz should have taken more SS's of the FP-list, but from what I understood, he replaced Five, so both refs were basically reffing alone. So you can blame Five as much as you blame Devaz for not taking many SS's of the FP-list. Even though IMO there is nothing to blame. Because an SS of the FP-list was made towards the ending of the match, where the players of the winning team are clearly visible.

Towards Hero. You have the right to be mad if it was decided that you would play.
BUT, the ones you should be mad at are your leaders and not the ref(s). Even if Devaz did not kick you, I guess you would've lagged out and get a DC from the server. At this point, the leaders can say, no we promised Hero to play this match so we want to wait for him, we think he'll come back (and if opposing clan has no problem waiting for so long, you get like 5 mins to come back or something like that(check rules)).
So I don't see why you are mad at Devaz, because this is clearly a miscommunication/misunderstanding in the clan itself.

Towards marines claiming not playing next cupwars. Look no one likes to lose. But ask yourself, have you really lost something since you played this cupwar? This cupwar is basically like a normal scrim, but more strict + you can win something (GUIDS and serverspace etc..). If you don't want to take part in a next cup (which is comparable like playing scrims like you always do, but this time you can actually GAIN something), then I respect your opinion, but I don't get the logic.

Anyway, conclusion IMO.

Hero you should "insult" (even though I recommend to talk normally about this) Slizer and not Devaz, since Devaz does not decide if you play or not. (PS: If this is about the player high scores, we all know that you are good Hero, don't need to prove it)

Marines. If xG weren't on FP than you had all rights to claim a rematch. But proof has shown that they were towards the end of the war. So just take the loss as gentlemen and try to use this experience for next cups.

Towards the refs. Look no ref is obliged to ref a war. If you don't have time, you don't have time. But if you do indicate that you will ref war, please do it with care.

Oh and guys please stop insulting each other and talk like matures. That's the only way you'll gain something in life.

Edited by BariS, 07 April 2010 - 01:07 PM.

[Brighty]

baris who asked for your opinion:S

(joke m8)

you should write a book and study for politician with your strong arguments:p

[dvz]

thanks baris, i just hope hero read this properly and slowly so he gets the point

peace

[Slizer]

Baris, write a book! I'm not gonna read that xD

[heldro]

i dont care about loosing i only care about admins suddenly not taking the rules as serious as they normally do because the admins were in the winning team. its strange if the admins normally use the rules like they are the sof bible but when its in their disadvantage it suddenly issent that important anymore. just wanted to point that out

But what happends when you do that? indeed some geeky admin comes telling you need to stfu and ur clan sucks. yeah really nice so therefore we wont be participating to this cups anymore.

[Brighty]

Baris, write a book!

stop stealing my words!!

[Slizer]

Heldro, can you stop invade every topic already pl0x. Delete your account like you said. Or some admin do it... yay!

Edited by Slizer, 07 April 2010 - 01:26 PM.

[BariS]

i dont care about loosing i only care about admins suddenly not taking the rules as serious as they normally do because the admins were in the winning team. its strange if the admins normally use the rules like they are the sof bible but when its in their disadvantage it suddenly issent that important anymore. just wanted to point that out

But what happends when you do that? indeed some geeky admin comes telling you need to stfu and ur clan sucks. yeah really nice so therefore we wont be participating to this cups anymore.

Well yeah you are right about that. Like I said the refs should have maybe taken more SS. That is a fact.

Even though if you take the part that this SS of the FP-list was towards the end of the war. And you can't start FP after you have closed it, to they have been on FP all the time.

So you have the rights to whine the refs to be careful next time, but that they are lucky since all xG were on FP so it wouldn't have mattered in this case, even if they had more SS.

And yeah the insulting part of communication should not take place, that is a fact. But not only one can be blamed for that. You can't fight yourself, you fight with others.

Edited by BariS, 07 April 2010 - 01:30 PM.

[Brighty]

maybe a tip for next time: take ss aswell in case you might need them

[heldro]

im sorry if my posts seem to sound true to you slizer, feel free to submit yourself to it, its not a crime really.

and yes docterfunk said he would remove my account tonight dont worry. otherwise i would keep getting the urge to reply on every biased post an admin would make.

[F!ve]

okay now here is something id like to say about that scrim last night. no matter i was watching football i still stayed there and i know exactly what was going on, only asked devaz to come so we would have everything covered 100%. even i got @fp list ss somewhere - everyone was on. hero was kicked after minimum 60 secs of waiting, as next round was about to begin, devaz kicked him and let kays get in instead. so the match could be played without delays.
another thing, im 100% sure EVERYONE was on fp at time match was not decided yet (till start of 2nd round) because i have checked it dozen times. after xG had theoratically won it, i didnt pay that much attention to the game and focused on watching champions league.

conclusion: next time post proffs before u bring something on. and blaming referee for ur loss is just pathetic

[dvz]

hero kept blaming me for kicking someone who literally wasn't even there, 999. haha

[heldro]

and blaming referee for ur loss is just pathetic

did i?

[F!ve]

yes, if it wasnt u it was some1 else asking for rematch because "devaz hasnt done his job well". so if it wasnt u im sorry to insult u

[dvz]

and five just confirmed what i said, all were on FP at the beginning and last rounds 2 disappeared.

we did our job well cause five took a ss of fplist at the beginning i guess, just need to find it so case closed

[heldro]

devaz dident do his job well indeed neither did you btw since nobody made a fp ss untill the match was allmost ended, but that had nothing to do with our loose it was only positive for us if the rules would have been followed. oops here i go again im so sorry.

[F!ve]

look, we checked and so did other marines and xg guys. its not referees duty to make 100 fp lists ss's. if any of guys found out 1 is missing he can make ss himself or warn referee or anything. but in this case, NOBODY saw anythnig wrong because there WERE NOTHING WRONG. u get it?

[heldro]

ok ur the best im sorry.