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[BariS]

Hey I was wondering guys. Before we can proceed to the knock-out phase of this tournament, we'll have to finish all group-matches so we conclude who the #1's and #2's are.
As far as I can see is that there are 6 group-matches left:

SoA vs Vi$
dpg vs Bps
eSt vs wA
wrs vs wA
eXp vs j|S
sL vs j|S

I've watched the standings: http://www.demobase....showtopic=14702. And my conclusion based on these standings are that only 2 matches are really necessary. These are:

eXp vs j|S and eSt vs wA

If both eXp and eSt will win than all the #1's and #2's of the groups are decided. Also there can nothing be changed of the #1 and #2 spots when eXp and eSt have won these matches.

Another fact is, if you watch closely. If these 2 matches are played and eXp and eSt have both won their match. Than all the #1's and #2's have played 3 matches, so their won't be whining about the player high-scores etc..

I am not saying that we should do this. Bu I feel that IF these 2 matches are played and IF the result will show that eXp & eSt have both won (which is most likely), so the outcome is already decided. Than the remaining matches not only are not important anymore, but since the clans that have to play these matches have nothing to gain anymore, we could say that they don't NEED to play if they do not want to? Of course if they want to and they want to go for the #3 spot in their group, they have all the rights to play all their matches.

What do you think of this idea? Make sure these 2 matches are played, and (if the outcome is as I predicted above) give the clans a chance to decide if they want to play the remaining matches that won't change the outcome, so which are not really important?

[doctorfunk]

it's a chance for guys who are not in cuplineups to play in MDK you have plenty of them
from my point of view as a player I say play! We don't have to hurry that much
I talked with impact and slizer is talking with fsd so I guess those 2games will be played very soon.

[BariS]

Well yeah, like I mentioned above. If these two matches are played (eXp and eSt won), than all #1's and #2's are decided and all #1's and #2's have played 3 matches. So... reconsider your argument ;d!!

Edited by BariS, 28 March 2010 - 11:17 AM.

[BariS]

Yeah, eXp & HsS both have 6 points. But "if" j|S would win both eXp & HsS than they can get 6 points too. In theory it's possible, so when they lose vs eXp. eXp will gain 3 more points and have 9 in total, HsS already played 3 matches and has 6 points and j|S still has a match to go vs sL but they can't become 2nd or 1st anymore.

[doctorfunk]

okay but i wanna play my cupmatch mate!

[BariS]

Yeah sure, like I said my real question was. Should we give the clans that have to play the remaining matches a choice if they want to play or not? I mean after these 2 matches (in case of win of eSt & eXp). The other clans can't gain anything anymore by playing these matches, so my request was give them the option to say.. no fuck it, it's useless and take to much time to arrange..

So sure you can play your cupmatch! But you think we should do this? I mean give them the option after these 2 matches or force them to play?

Edited by BariS, 28 March 2010 - 11:50 AM.

[redy]

I dont know, wA leader aint talkin with us at all. I dont know when we can play em. Haven't seen any wA player in sof too. Kinda ugly.

[doctorfunk]

Yeah sure, like I said my real question was. Should we give the clans that have to play the remaining matches a choice if they want to play or not? I mean after these 2 matches (in case of win of eSt & eXp). The other clans can't gain anything anymore by playing these matches, so my request was give them the option to say.. no fuck it, it's useless and take to much time to arrange..

So sure you can play your cupmatch! But you think we should do this? I mean give them the option after these 2 matches or force them to play?

this cup is for 4 clans matter of caring
for rest is matter of having fun so give it a rest BariS
play your matches.

[Slizer]

fsd: we will play, but we have time

[BariS]

this cup is for 4 clans matter of caring
for rest is matter of having fun so give it a rest BariS
play your matches.

Ah you don't get what I am saying. I don't say ''don't let them play''.

Everybody can play if they want. But I am saying give them the option to let it be if they want to, do not force them.

Let me give you an example for a sec. Take our group (Group C) for example. Imagine eSt beats wA and get's a total of 6 point, and the #1/2 in our group is decided. I don't think wrs will show any motivation or interest to play wA. They won't be even bothered anymore because they don't gain anything, therefore I think forcing them to play is useless. In the other hand, IF wA wants to play them, they MUST, even if they do not want to.

I hope you get what I am trying to say, let all matches be played, but give them the option to let it be (if both clans agree and if the match is not of importance anymore of course).

Edit:

Aight look I don't care if you say, no fuck your idea. All matches MUST be played. But I find it a waste of time to force clans to play matches that have no importance anymore in case both clans have no interest in playing each other.

I just find this a logical solution.

Edited by BariS, 28 March 2010 - 02:25 PM.

[raggy]

You're right there marine!

[redy]

Ye, they got time. But not that much + they've only played 1 game. They have 2 more games to play, but in 2 weeks they played only 1. So how they gonna make 2 scrims in week ?

[lion]

Ye, they got time. But not that much + they've only played 1 game. They have 2 more games to play, but in 2 weeks they played only 1. So how they gonna make 2 scrims in week ?

redstar shut up we play more than 60 scrims a week, so 2 scrims are not too hard:D (go check www.estclan.tk if want to)

[redy]

ole vait ma rääkisin neist.

[lion]

ma tean

[Brighty]

i say who do we play in quarter finals"?

cause baris is right, why wait for scrims wich are pointless, since we know who are 1st and 2nd.

[Slizer]

1/4 finals will start once all group matches have been played.

[BariS]

Neither of you read my post . It's a fact that the group phase MUST end before the knock out phase will be launched.

But if you had read my posts well you had seen that I would rather give the clans that have to play the remaining matches the opportunity to say that they are not interested in case the much is not of importance and in case of agreement of both clans.

So I don't know, if imagine both clans are not willing to put effort to arrange a war that won't change the outcome of the group-phase, give them both 1 point and win some time here. Instead of forcing them to put time and effort to arrange a match that won't change the outcome.

This is just an idea, and also this way we may prevent leaders that, might have tried their best but failed, to withdraw their matches in a nice way only in agreement of the opposing clan.

!!!Just the idea in short!!!!!:
If either one of the clans (of the remaining matches left) wants to play his match, the match must be played. But if both clans come to an agreement that it's not worth putting so much time and effort in arranging a match that won't change the outcome. Than just give both clans 1 point and let it be and win some time.

This is what I stand for, but that doesn't mean that it's automatically done this way.

Edited by BariS, 30 March 2010 - 01:32 PM.

[lion]

groups are over now?