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[KaSS]

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gl to the dutchies after losing 90 % of their tourists by trying to cut down on coffeeshops and engaging a weedpass. guess londen will soon be the place to be huh

[malign]

About Amsterdam: Are they really trying to reduce the weed consumption in cities like Amsterdam or just border-zones(e.g. cities near German or Belgian borders).... ???

Lots of English tourists in Amsterdam by the way........

But I don't think every random tourist on the world will go to England for weed, really They will still visit Amsterdam. Just the English people will tend to visit us less.


London is very expensive anyway They do love their drugs in England though(that has been my experience with people from there, they aren't very drug-averse - of course I tend to meet a certain kind of people....)

[The Situation]

why would any go to england?

england = ugly girls, ugly food, bad weather

if u wanna do drugs i think prague is a good substitute to amsterdam, really nice and cheap city, many drugs allowed and nice and gentle people

[maniman]

<3 weedpass

increases my income

[SyLt]

link sometihng thats not facebookish

[nickster]

mani snapt

[SyLt]

what r the rules for weedpass?

[nickster]

you gotta be dutch to get one

i live in a weedpass area, didnt get one. GLADLY, cause documents recently leaked that dutch IRS is entitled to the complete memberslist of every coffeeshop for tax reasons (coffeeshops are now treated as private clubs. you measure a clubs size by the size of its memberslist)

[SyLt]

oh so any dutchie can get one? u pay? age limits?

[nickster]

obviously there is the age limit of 18. there are no costs, but in order to get one you need to hand in a copy of a document that states you are a NL resident. getting that copy costs €24.


edit: there is so much more to it, im only typing a bit cause im actually in a hurry to go and get weed right now

Edited by nickster, 24 June 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[nickster]

im sure it sounds really good to you sylt: you get this pass, anyone whos dutch can get it, its free, and youre allowed to buy weed.

but nobody, not even the coffeeshops administration, can guarantee that this "official" list of "drug users" will ever become public knowledge, or even leak to government instances or third parties that may result in different treatment for these drug users. imagine having to buy a car and not being able to get proper insurance cause youre a registered weed smoker. or a raise in health care cost for weed smokers.

in fact, like i said earlier, news just came out that IRS must have access to this data at all times for tax reasons. theres the first leak

[luminoKo]

You have to give your fingerprint as well to order this pass right?
Like Nickster said it's also partly a privacy problem, but yeah it's mostly about the tourists and the selling on the street I guess.

[nickster]

the fingerprint is a technical coffeeshops came up with, to make it easier for customers. this way you can just scan your finger at the door, they compare it to the members list and if theres a match youre allowed to enter without the fuss of having to show your ID/weedpass. this fingerprint would get encrypted.


as for the technical aspect: they COULD just encrypt everybodys private information. all of it. coffeeshops and governments know about this possibility, but decide not to. that alone tells me they WANT to know exactly who smokes.

if coffeeshops keep the members' info on a computer, any cop can raid the place and take the computer and its data. this already happened several times in Limburg days after the introduction of the weedpass. then again, if they keep the info on a machine with an internet connection (cloud computing), its surely gonna be a target for hackers.

bottom line: im not registering, lol. from now on i'm gonna get my weed exactly like the rest of the world has to do it: find the best dealer in my vicinity and befriend the sucker

Edited by nickster, 24 June 2012 - 05:40 PM.

[KaSS]

what i meant was that they are legalising weed in england these days while holland is tryying vto illegalise(couldbt find a word, you know what i mean)it . a fact is that amsterdam being as popular is mostly cus of the coffeeshops and the faact that weed is allowed. and if im not mistaken theres no other country where u can legally buy/grow weed in europe which gives u n edge over the rest.by engaging weedpass and closing down coffeeshops while england is kind of about to legalise weed the dutch governemt is telling telling ur tourists to fly to londen/england instead. meaning lots of less money for everybody in holland cus touris is a huge income of holland(especially amsterdam). also the governement is promoting dealing weed on the streets and losing the taxes they would get from coffeeshops.

just wanted to point out that holland is getting competition and they way it seems to me now is that england is soon getting the lead ;o

[katana.]

doubt it, we still got the red light district ;D and errrbody knows best weed comes from holland

[KaSS]

donno if u could all see that article but here u go

More than a dozen Dutch-style cannabis cafés are being planned from Brighton to Glasgow in a major movement across the country. They range from converted warehouses to upmarket cafés in London with budgets of £250,000.

Less than a week after the Government's top drugs advisory committee called for cannabis to be downgraded from Class B to Class C - severely reducing penalties for possession - campaigners are setting up coffee shops confident that such a move is now all but inevitable. Last week the Liberal Democrats became the first mainstream party to adopt a policy of legalising the drug.

The cannabis entrepreneurs setting up the coffee shops include an affluent retired businessman, an internet pioneer and a wheelchair-bound victim of multiple sclerosis living on disability benefits. Many have been attending a special course in the Netherlands to teach British people how to run a coffee shop, including how to tell the difference between types of weed and the best tactics for dealing with police and local authorities.

The movement has taken its cue from the Dutch Experience, Britain's first cannabis coffee shop in Stockport, which has been raided by police three times since opening last September. However, repeated mass protests made the police back off, and the coffee shop still attracts around 200 people a day. In the next fortnight, Dutch Experience 2, which is in the process of being decorated, is to open its doors in Bournemouth.

Other coffee shops are set to follow in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cumbria, Liverpool, Rhyl, Anglesey, Milton Keynes, Braintree, Brighton, Taunton, Worthing, and Lambeth and Hoxton in London. Britain is on course to follow the Netherlands in having a public cannabis café culture.

The campaigners have been encouraged by rapidly changing attitudes to the illegal drug, and the prospect of the Government downgrading it from Class B to Class C. All say they would like to co-operate with police and local authorities, but are prepared to go to prison if necessary.

Jimmy Ward, who went on the coffee-shop course in January, is currently working 16 hours a day with eight friends to prepare the Dutch Experience 2 for its opening in the next fortnight. Ward, who used to run a haulage business, was unable to persuade any landlord in Bournemouth to rent a café to him, so he is converting a storage unit he owns.

'We're studding the walls, putting in water, and a false ceiling,' he said. 'Ever since my girlfriend and I met 14 years ago we wanted to run a coffee shop. We thought we'd have to go to Holland, but with everything happening here, we thought we could open one in the UK.

'Everyone locally loves it - I've had so much support from the public. But no matter what the authorities do, I am determined to open this. I am not worried about going to jail, so long as when I come out it is still open.'

Ward has recruited pensioners to grow cannabis for him, supplying them with seeds and growlights, and has had expressions of interest from dozens more. 'It helps them to pay the winter fuel bills. They are angry about being lied to all these years about how dangerous cannabis is,' he said. A report last week from the Government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs concluded cannabis was less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco.

Jeff Ditchfield, who went on the coffee-shop course with Ward, spent last week looking for a property to buy in Rhyl, north Wales, to convert to a coffee shop. 'I don't want it in a residential area or near a school or McDonalds, because the kids will try to come in,' said Ditchfield, who retired two years ago. His café will stick to the strict Dutch coffee-shop rules of banning all alcohol, hard drugs and anyone under 18.

The Deputy Mayor of Rhyl, Glyn Williams, said the plan 'beggars belief', prompting Ditchfield to name his coffee shop 'The Beggars Belief'.

Williams said: 'We are not in the process of helping people break the law. I firmly believe that, if you downgrade cannabis, then there'll be so many more parents who'll come forward with tragic stories about their children.' However, the Chief Constable of North Wales, Richard Brunstrom, has publicly called for drugs to be legalised.

David Crane, the director of an internet company for seven years, is in the process of raising £250,000 for an upmarket coffee shop in Hoxton, London. 'We've been speaking to a number of different people in the music business and media, and they are very keen, largely because they smoke dope themselves. I absolutely believe that coffee shops are a benefit to society,' he said.

Many of the cannabis entrepreneurs are veterans of protests at the Dutch Experience in Stockport. Almost 100 people, including the local MEP, went to Stockport police station holding cannabis and demanding to be arrested. After arresting 28 people, the police gave up, prompting protesters to declare cannabis had been legalised in Stockport.

[KaSS]

doubt it, we still got the red light district ;D and errrbody knows best weed comes from holland

red light ditricts are rather common in bigger cities everywhere and if ur gonna prohibit the weed for tourists then it wont matter what the quality is + in the article theres said that there are coachings taking place in holland so basically ur teaching em to grow good weed

[katana.]

thats true, but the name ''Amsterdam'' is till known the best across the globe for the red light districts and drugs.
It will take a lot of years before someone steals that title

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True Katana.

[Butcher]

kass my money