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[Activee]

Nice post stickman. However I don't understand your last sentence as it's kind of the opposite of what you said during your book.
"no gun law can be 100% effective". You forgot the negation there didn't you ?

I didn't even think about the black market but it's a very good point.

[Stickman]

I guess I was basically trying to say that the current gun laws and whatever else they decide to enact will never be perfect, there will always be a loophole and there will always be guns and some sort of violence in the USA.

[Sharpy]

Alex Jones is a little out there but im glad he gave Piers an asswhoopn. Larry Pratt prolly has the best argument. However my thought on this is no law will stop shootings. We have enough laws restricting people from defending themselves. This las shooting occured on a "Gun Free Zone". All those children were sitting ducks. And so is anyone else who enters these Gun Free Zones.
No beurocrat is takin my guns from me

Edit: DEPORT PIERS

Edited by Sharpy, 13 January 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[executor]

people kill people not guns. stickman's post was the only one I read and I agree with it mostly, any european that's actually discussing this is out of their mind if they think they have any clue what they're talking about. Whoever says they should put armed guards in schools is batshit crazy because there would be way more cases of accidental shootings and suicides. Since I've never been to Europe I have no idea how the schools are there, but I've been in 3 different schools here that have gone into "lockdown" when when someone brings in a weapon. In Springfield some kid was supposedly running around the hallways with a knife so we weren't allowed to leave this lobby place for a few minutes. Afterwards everyone acted like it an everyday thing. I think that there was an officer there already at that school cause it's been one of the worst cities in America, although not nearly as bad as New Orleans or Detroit but way worse than anything across the Alantic (apart from Russia and Africa)

Usually in situations where I've seen students bring weapons into a building, having a gun pointed on them would just push them to pull the trigger. They're waiting for someone to wave a gun at him so he has no choice but to slit a throat. Some schools need armed officers, while others don't. What we need isn't the president or especially some European video gamers to tell us how to solve the problems that guns provoke. We need the school administrators to not have their heads up their asses and make good decisions about whether or not that school needs metal detectors and/or an armed officer around at all times. In some cities we need it, in other towns it's a waste of money. Kinda like how I'm wasting my time writing this. A perfect analogy would be how you should wear a rubber if you'r fucking a whore but it's pretty much pointless when you're with a virgin. But most people would probably give my town one glance and say we wouldn't need that shit, but I know a kid in jail now who brought in a knife when he was 9.

Edited by executor, 14 January 2013 - 07:36 AM.

[Mr. Mike]

Best soffer ever has spoken.

[doctorfunk]

true that people kill people not guns but it's easier to kill 20 people with AK than with a knife or baseball bat,
therefore I believe limited access to guns makes for a safer society vide Japan

[heldro]

people kill people not guns. stickman's post was the only one I read and I agree with it mostly, any european that's actually discussing this is out of their mind if they think they have any clue what they're talking about. Whoever says they should put armed guards in schools is batshit crazy because there would be way more cases of accidental shootings and suicides. Since I've never been to Europe I have no idea how the schools are there, but I've been in 3 different schools here that have gone into "lockdown" when when someone brings in a weapon. In Springfield some kid was supposedly running around the hallways with a knife so we weren't allowed to leave this lobby place for a few minutes. Afterwards everyone acted like it an everyday thing. I think that there was an officer there already at that school cause it's been one of the worst cities in America, although not nearly as bad as New Orleans or Detroit but way worse than anything across the Alantic (apart from Russia and Africa)

Usually in situations where I've seen students bring weapons into a building, having a gun pointed on them would just push them to pull the trigger. They're waiting for someone to wave a gun at him so he has no choice but to slit a throat. Some schools need armed officers, while others don't. What we need isn't the president or especially some European video gamers to tell us how to solve the problems that guns provoke. We need the school administrators to not have their heads up their asses and make good decisions about whether or not that school needs metal detectors and/or an armed officer around at all times. In some cities we need it, in other towns it's a waste of money. Kinda like how I'm wasting my time writing this. A perfect analogy would be how you should wear a rubber if you'r fucking a whore but it's pretty much pointless when you're with a virgin. But most people would probably give my town one glance and say we wouldn't need that shit, but I know a kid in jail now who brought in a knife when he was 9.

Its bullshit to say guns dont kill people like docterpunk said.

Look at these charts

http://www.nationmas...s-with-firearms
http://www.washingto...eloped-country/

See how high America is listed in comparison to other western nations. And its not like people in Europe are massively getting strangled or stabbed to death, because ive seen other charts wich shows the total percentage of kills in Amerca is way higher then other western countries aswell.

People can do strage things whenever they are emotional/mentally insane w/e. When you make it so easy for people to buy firearms is like binding bacon on the cat.

[doctorfunk]

Nice list of developed countries, that includes Poland and Estonia
take that haters

[asrael]

Obviously alot of people bring up the 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' statement. Of course this is quite true, however guns do facilitate the killing in quite a significant way. As does having easy access to guns. Although of course you still have to be a twisted person to kill someone, most people probably wouldn't be able to kill people without guns.
In my honest opinion, the belief that you need guns to simply protect yourself is quite ridiculous. You shouldn't need guns at all, that's quite the wrong principle to begin with. Nor should 'owning a gun' be considered a right. Owning guns isn't a right, neither is owning a car, television, computer or what else. It should be considered luxury. However, America is so far down the path of gun ownership already that banning it right now would cause nothing but havoc, as it always does when you take away 'rights'.

Also, that graph is a bit misleading as it doesn't really include every 'developed' country, depending on what your definition of developed is. Also, leaving out Mexico surely does create a less profitable image for America. Still those rates are quite alarming.

[doctorfunk]

Mexico isn't developed, it's a dump

[asrael]

Since it is mentioned underneath the graph, i assume they do reckon Mexico as a developed country.

[Rafael]

people kill people not guns

What an empty platitude.
You need one second to kill someone with a gun. No battle.
People kill people, yes, but guns make it so much easier to do so.

[duman]

people kill people not guns. stickman's post was the only one I read and I agree with it mostly, any european that's actually discussing this is out of their mind if they think they have any clue what they're talking about. Whoever says they should put armed guards in schools is batshit crazy because there would be way more cases of accidental shootings and suicides. Since I've never been to Europe I have no idea how the schools are there, but I've been in 3 different schools here that have gone into "lockdown" when when someone brings in a weapon. In Springfield some kid was supposedly running around the hallways with a knife so we weren't allowed to leave this lobby place for a few minutes. Afterwards everyone acted like it an everyday thing. I think that there was an officer there already at that school cause it's been one of the worst cities in America, although not nearly as bad as New Orleans or Detroit but way worse than anything across the Alantic (apart from Russia and Africa)

Usually in situations where I've seen students bring weapons into a building, having a gun pointed on them would just push them to pull the trigger. They're waiting for someone to wave a gun at him so he has no choice but to slit a throat. Some schools need armed officers, while others don't. What we need isn't the president or especially some European video gamers to tell us how to solve the problems that guns provoke. We need the school administrators to not have their heads up their asses and make good decisions about whether or not that school needs metal detectors and/or an armed officer around at all times. In some cities we need it, in other towns it's a waste of money. Kinda like how I'm wasting my time writing this. A perfect analogy would be how you should wear a rubber if you'r fucking a whore but it's pretty much pointless when you're with a virgin. But most people would probably give my town one glance and say we wouldn't need that shit, but I know a kid in jail now who brought in a knife when he was 9.

when i read ur first line about ' people kill people not guns ' i stopped reading ur post

basicly ur saying, that its alright if every human being would have a nuclear bomb

[Stickman]

Going on a rampage should never be an option in the first place. Sadly the world we live in there are a few in society that have to use things such as guns/airplanes/and household products to make bombs, to wreck the lives of those who are happily living their lives. The crimes of a few should not be enough to justify the punishing of the many. While it certainly can be argued that guns are nothing more than a luxery, however in the USA its a constitutional right that are forefathers decided to allow. Trying to change that as Asrael said would indeed cause more problems than good. There is no way to even account for the amount of deaths in Mexico due to the crooked cops and cartels. I live in an area where armed robbery is very prevalent, daytime and nighttime it doesn't matter. None of the guns they use are legally owned of course. I feel much safer knowing if some punk thug breaks into my house with what will probably be a little 9mm, hes going to run into a lot scarier fire power. Then again that's just how i feel, you should never aim a gun at another human unless it is absolutely necessary, its not a toy, its a tool that can kill.

[drnknmnky]

SAID THE GUY WHO KILLED LIKE 1000 FROGS.. 100 DUCKS.. 20 PIGS.

[Stickman]

I am certainly biased.

[maniman]

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

why make such a problem about it now? Far more important things going on

Edited by maniman, 14 January 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[shift]

Obviously alot of people bring up the 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' statement. Of course this is quite true, however guns do facilitate the killing in quite a significant way. As does having easy access to guns. Although of course you still have to be a twisted person to kill someone, most people probably wouldn't be able to kill people without guns.
In my honest opinion, the belief that you need guns to simply protect yourself is quite ridiculous. You shouldn't need guns at all, that's quite the wrong principle to begin with. Nor should 'owning a gun' be considered a right. Owning guns isn't a right, neither is owning a car, television, computer or what else. It should be considered luxury. However, America is so far down the path of gun ownership already that banning it right now would cause nothing but havoc, as it always does when you take away 'rights'.

Also, that graph is a bit misleading as it doesn't really include every 'developed' country, depending on what your definition of developed is. Also, leaving out Mexico surely does create a less profitable image for America. Still those rates are quite alarming.

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, so a gun makes a great form of self defence

[doctorfunk]

Since it is mentioned underneath the graph, i assume they do reckon Mexico as a developed country.

it's not that's why they left it out, so you reckon wrong ASSWHORE

[heldro]

Just bumped into this picture

http://sphotos-a.ak....882360540_n.jpg