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Russia&Georgia
#82
Posted 12 August 2008 - 11:57 AM
u arent right, polaks hate russians. tbh i dont see a connection between poland and russia and like i heard do estonians also hate russians.
You're wrong. Trust me, russians, georgians, estonians, polaks, zimbabwians and we are all the same, there might be just different сultural values and riches, but the point is still the same.
georgien would have joined the nato in some years, to bad for them
if russia would attack estonia than would the nato help em ofcourse (US would say "yes" to the war for sure cuz they dont like russia also)
You did not understand me. Im talking about people wanting to live, eat, love, having fun etc. Doesn't matter what nationality you have, people still have same reasons to live (mostly).
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
#83
Posted 12 August 2008 - 12:03 PM
#84
Posted 12 August 2008 - 01:33 PM
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
this comment shows ur dumbness and undevelopment becouse u dont know the story of poland and russian in the 2nd world war. Btw whats so bad by hating someone by his nation if a another country got a bad story with this nation.
ps. dont call me dumb u garbage man
#85
Guest_xzi_*
Posted 12 August 2008 - 03:31 PM
Again, I don't see any reason for attacking Russia as the only bad guy in this conflict. If it would be this simple, then the rest of the world would have less problems protecting poor little Georgia.
Georgia is wrong by trying to maintain control over S-Ossetia against the will of the Ossetians; I don't see it happening in Belgium, that if Wallonia wants to break away from Belgium, Flanders starts bombing them.
Russia is only protecting it's interests by getting mixed up in the conflict, hoping to expand it's control in the Kaukasus.
Btw starting to compare Russia now with the SU is just nonsense. Russia is still a large nation, still looking for ways to maintain that position or even expand, which is normal; but pls pack up your theories about bringing back communism or whatever.
You even know what happened there? It didn't start because they wanted to break free from Georgia. Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders. The conflict started many months ago already. But now Georgia went to push the riot down and stupid Russia said it's an attack againist their people and declared a war.
Watch more news and read more papers... Or just go and see Wikipedia about 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Georgia-Russia_crisis
Russia is a big crapass country which is built on lies. Also the thing they said that there are ~2000 civilians dead in South-Ossetia. After that Russian Red Cross went there are only saw 1 dead body. But no, Russian goverment and media still talked some shit about ~2000 civilians dead. Why were there no pictures or videos about dead bodies? Russia is a
big BS!
Samuel, I'm hating russians because of their stupidity. I can surely say there are also normal russians, russians who doesn't care what Putin or their stupid goverment says, but most of the russians are some retarded people who only like to destroy. You can tell whatever you want to them, but they will forget it right away. They're like living in their own little bubble.
#86
Posted 12 August 2008 - 04:44 PM
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
this comment shows ur dumbness and undevelopment becouse u dont know the story of poland and russian in the 2nd world war. Btw whats so bad by hating someone by his nation if a another country got a bad story with this nation.
ps. dont call me dumb u garbage man
it was german who fought and invaded poland not russia in ww2
#87
Posted 12 August 2008 - 04:47 PM
There's quite alot reasons why estonians dislike russians.u arent right, polaks hate russians. tbh i dont see a connection between poland and russia and like i heard do estonians also hate russians.
You're wrong. Trust me, russians, georgians, estonians, polaks, zimbabwians and we are all the same, there might be just different сultural values and riches, but the point is still the same.
georgien would have joined the nato in some years, to bad for them
if russia would attack estonia than would the nato help em ofcourse (US would say "yes" to the war for sure cuz they dont like russia also)
You did not understand me. Im talking about people wanting to live, eat, love, having fun etc. Doesn't matter what nationality you have, people still have same reasons to live (mostly).
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
Now to name few of them.......
MOST of them can't speak proper estonian while they have been living here for YEARS. Seeing 70 yearold grannys walking around the street and if you ask them something in estonian the only response you get is "sto?!" (which of course means what in rus, rofl)
now let's mention the fact russians that live in estonia have commited far more crimes than estonians themselves in estonia..heehee.
ohyea let's not forget history, but owell, im not gonna copy my history books to demobase now, right?!
now if I dislike russians for above reasons and far more..fine, i'll express my dumbness then .
there are, of course, nice russians, but owell...
#88
Posted 12 August 2008 - 05:01 PM
it was german who fought and invaded poland not russia in ww2
not really true, after German invasion 01.09.1939 soviets invaded
Poland from the east on 17.09.1939.
I don't think you should see as surprising Polish people don't like Germans and Russians(even more; coz of more recent 50yrs communism). Its same with Japan and China, Ireland and Britian or Estonia and Russia. Neighbouring nations usually don't love each other, especially if they warred in some recent history.
Though this some people due to thier personal losses can feel "hate" or "dislike" to other nations this shoudnt show up in politics. Imo Poland and other east european countries are leading very risky and dumb campaign to piss off Russia. And neither Estonia or Poland is safe from Russia they can cut off our natural gas supply whenever they feel like it. Plus nato would never help us niether would USA, but still some people believe USA cna grant us protection form Russia; dumb ffs tbh.
#89
Posted 12 August 2008 - 05:11 PM
Hm I can't believe you just said I should watch more news...
You even know what happened there? It didn't start because they wanted to break free from Georgia. Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders. The conflict started many months ago already. But now Georgia went to push the riot down and stupid Russia said it's an attack againist their people and declared a war.
Watch more news and read more papers... Or just go and see Wikipedia about 2008
That South-Ossetia wanted more autonomy and declared itself independent from Georgia is a fact.
This discussion just sucks 'cause you're from Estonia and Estonians for some reason don't like Russia so I guess you don't have access to lots of objective information in your country; you can't help it but excuse me for not taking you seriously.
After some minutes of thinking about your poor attempt to create an English sentence, I think I get what you're saying, but: the fact that you categorise their words as 'shit' only underlines you can't stay objectively on this. Apparantly it wasn't 'shit' to the S-Ossetians, it underlined deeper nationalistic feelings for them; You can't just say it's Russia and only Russia's fault that they wanted to break loose from Georgia, and it's wrong of Georgia to answer these feelings with gunfire."Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders."
I'm not pro-Russia, but I'm just not unconditional anti-Russia like the West and most of Eastern Europe, without even looking at the situation.
Edit, now that I read the last lines in your post: You're a sick boy, no point in discussing with you.
#90
Posted 12 August 2008 - 05:18 PM
Sorry but I agree with Samuel. You have nothing to do with WWII, the current governments of Russia/Poland have nothing to do with what happened then but still you're going to hate any person who lives in Russia and, again, had nothing to do with all of that. Sure I believe in the idea of historical allies or competitors, but you're just some kid who happens to live in Poland and still you can use the word 'hate' in all of this; it's sick, the world would be better of without all this meaningless hate.
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
this comment shows ur dumbness and undevelopment becouse u dont know the story of poland and russian in the 2nd world war. Btw whats so bad by hating someone by his nation if a another country got a bad story with this nation.
ps. dont call me dumb u garbage man
I always try to think for myself instead of just repeating what a country blinded by hate has kept repeating for 50 years.
#92
Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:22 PM
but you googled it, and all your pictures in your mind broke up. left naked with only the truth, there was no kudunku villlage.
#93
Guest_xzi_*
Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:41 PM
Hm I can't believe you just said I should watch more news...
You even know what happened there? It didn't start because they wanted to break free from Georgia. Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders. The conflict started many months ago already. But now Georgia went to push the riot down and stupid Russia said it's an attack againist their people and declared a war.
Watch more news and read more papers... Or just go and see Wikipedia about 2008
That South-Ossetia wanted more autonomy and declared itself independent from Georgia is a fact.
This discussion just sucks 'cause you're from Estonia and Estonians for some reason don't like Russia so I guess you don't have access to lots of objective information in your country; you can't help it but excuse me for not taking you seriously.After some minutes of thinking about your poor attempt to create an English sentence, I think I get what you're saying, but: the fact that you categorise their words as 'shit' only underlines you can't stay objectively on this. Apparantly it wasn't 'shit' to the S-Ossetians, it underlined deeper nationalistic feelings for them; You can't just say it's Russia and only Russia's fault that they wanted to break loose from Georgia, and it's wrong of Georgia to answer these feelings with gunfire."Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders."
I'm not pro-Russia, but I'm just not unconditional anti-Russia like the West and most of Eastern Europe, without even looking at the situation.
Edit, now that I read the last lines in your post: You're a sick boy, no point in discussing with you.
They're already a separated, just other countries won't admit S-Ossetia as a country. That's why it's still part of the Georgia. We all know that Russia played with Georgia's nerves. Sent his "peacekeepers" to S-Ossetia which started to shoot Georgia's villages. Then there was a riot. So you tell me that you wouldn't go and push it down when some wannabes mess around in your country? It was RUSSIA who did put his nose to other country's business. Like always... They were searching for any reason to declare a war... Or you really think a country which is almost as big as Estonia will declare a war to Russia? How stupid can you possibly be.
And yes, most of the russians are assholes. And almost every single russian who lives in Estonia is a fuckup. Stealing / killing and destroying.
People living in Estonia for whole life and can't say a word in estonian. Then they're whining about our country, while the rob & kill. I wonder why don't these fuckups go back to russia. Also the funny thing is when like 4-5 russians come to you on street. They're so tuff and stuff. Later on when you just meet 1 of them, he's ready to shit his pants.
You shoulda been here when there was the BronzeSoldier riot last year. Reporters asked many russians why they're doing it. They had no fucking idea or said that Russia told them to. They still live in 19th century.
#94
Posted 12 August 2008 - 07:39 PM
Sorry but I agree with Samuel. You have nothing to do with WWII, the current governments of Russia/Poland have nothing to do with what happened then but still you're going to hate any person who lives in Russia and, again, had nothing to do with all of that. Sure I believe in the idea of historical allies or competitors, but you're just some kid who happens to live in Poland and still you can use the word 'hate' in all of this; it's sick, the world would be better of without all this meaningless hate.
About polaks hate russians etc. I think it totally shows your dumbness and undevelopment if you are hating someone just by his color or nation.
this comment shows ur dumbness and undevelopment becouse u dont know the story of poland and russian in the 2nd world war. Btw whats so bad by hating someone by his nation if a another country got a bad story with this nation.
ps. dont call me dumb u garbage man
I always try to think for myself instead of just repeating what a country blinded by hate has kept repeating for 50 years.
Truth.
Hate communists or Stalin or who ever, who did something bad to you (even then it's stupid lol)
i don't see any reasons to have this feeling anyway, because this feeling is eclipsing your mind obviously, so you start doing and saying stupid things.
You can hate person who killed your wife for example. Yeah this would be not reasonless hate, but even tho there is sucha thing like forgivness, probably you won't agree that it is possible to forgive a person for nothing, even if he made something really bad to you, but i can say it is possible, for me at least.
And still it is even funny to talk about hating some nation because goverment of this nation made something, sometime ago.
End of offtopic. Hate = emotions = stupid way.
#96
Posted 12 August 2008 - 08:26 PM
Hm I can't believe you just said I should watch more news...
You even know what happened there? It didn't start because they wanted to break free from Georgia. Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders. The conflict started many months ago already. But now Georgia went to push the riot down and stupid Russia said it's an attack againist their people and declared a war.
Watch more news and read more papers... Or just go and see Wikipedia about 2008
That South-Ossetia wanted more autonomy and declared itself independent from Georgia is a fact.
This discussion just sucks 'cause you're from Estonia and Estonians for some reason don't like Russia so I guess you don't have access to lots of objective information in your country; you can't help it but excuse me for not taking you seriously.After some minutes of thinking about your poor attempt to create an English sentence, I think I get what you're saying, but: the fact that you categorise their words as 'shit' only underlines you can't stay objectively on this. Apparantly it wasn't 'shit' to the S-Ossetians, it underlined deeper nationalistic feelings for them; You can't just say it's Russia and only Russia's fault that they wanted to break loose from Georgia, and it's wrong of Georgia to answer these feelings with gunfire."Russian goverment told some shit to their people so they started disorders."
I'm not pro-Russia, but I'm just not unconditional anti-Russia like the West and most of Eastern Europe, without even looking at the situation.
Edit, now that I read the last lines in your post: You're a sick boy, no point in discussing with you.
They're already a separated, just other countries won't admit S-Ossetia as a country. That's why it's still part of the Georgia. We all know that Russia played with Georgia's nerves. Sent his "peacekeepers" to S-Ossetia which started to shoot Georgia's villages. Then there was a riot. So you tell me that you wouldn't go and push it down when some wannabes mess around in your country? It was RUSSIA who did put his nose to other country's business. Like always... They were searching for any reason to declare a war... Or you really think a country which is almost as big as Estonia will declare a war to Russia? How stupid can you possibly be.
And yes, most of the russians are assholes. And almost every single russian who lives in Estonia is a fuckup. Stealing / killing and destroying.
People living in Estonia for whole life and can't say a word in estonian. Then they're whining about our country, while the rob & kill. I wonder why don't these fuckups go back to russia. Also the funny thing is when like 4-5 russians come to you on street. They're so tuff and stuff. Later on when you just meet 1 of them, he's ready to shit his pants.
You shoulda been here when there was the BronzeSoldier riot last year. Reporters asked many russians why they're doing it. They had no fucking idea or said that Russia told them to. They still live in 19th century.
Are you really that dumb to belive this war just came from hate or cause Russia needs some more territorys lol? They can't handle their one well. Of course it all was made cause of money and im pretty sure that US is very very connected to this conflict.
I wouldn't be suprised if US goverment has provoked this conflict. Because oil prices will or already did get higher because of some oil pipeline BTD is in danger. Damn you see everything in black and white colors. Even if it looks like it is black&white, trust me there are other colors, which probably you won't see.
You talk like you've met every single russian here lol. Single post of person who is trying to accuse someone other in his problems. Rob & kill?
You wanna say there is no estonians who rob and kill lol? You just simply didn't have any proper communications with russian citizen part and you ahve no ideas what and who they are. You just hear from news about some russian robbed the shop and you think: "oh these bastards rob and kill". Ordinary thinking of the child.
Some russians can't speak proper estonian because of education level. Have you ever been on estonian language lesson in russian school? Doubt that lol. It is joke. Second reason is that most of the time russian and estonian part of teenagers do not communicate with eachother, for example i was visiting estonian kindergarten when i was young and aslo was studying in estonian school first 3 classes and my estonian was perfect, but since i left estonian school and went to russian one and mostly didn't have any friendship with estonians, i started to forget estonian language and now i can understand estonian and speak on it but it is far far away from perfect. Now imagine if person wasn't visiting estonian school or kindergarten at all and he was communicating mostly with russian people, how the fuck should he know the estonian? Goverment should do something to make people study the language, cause people won't do it just because they don't need it or they simply don't have opportunity to do it.
Also you said fuckups go back to russia, come on, when you gonna grow up and understand simple thing, russians in estonia didn't come from russia, their grandfathers and grandmothers did which are mostly dead already. Russians born in estonia and they have estonian citizenship. Who you think is waiting "russians" in Russia lol?
Tho i think it will be even smarter not to call them russians but call them russian-speaking estonians.
You will always meet other nation communitys in your country and you have to live with it.
This ground is not your own property, that you were indignant to this or other person, you can be indignant to the one who got on your site or into your apartment, and even then it will be only the person who did it, not the nation to which he belongs. So live your own live and stop accusing some unknow people in your problems.
About bronze.
Yeah your super media showed couple dumb russians who said so and now every single person liek you is thinking, yo they are living in 19th century, I already said that each nation has their idiots and geniouses. Or you wanna say that estonian nation is perfect nation? I've met hundrets of dumb estonians and hundreds of dumb russians. So cut the crap.
#97
Guest_xzi_*
Posted 12 August 2008 - 08:47 PM
They don't need it? Why da fuck do they cry their asses of then and want to make russian as the second language. They can fuck off and move to their country.
I'm not only talking about media. I'm talking about people I met irl, people in forums. They had no idea why they're destroying others stuff and participating in the riot. They only said it's because of the Bronze Soldier, but they didn't know why. They can fuck off.
I can give you millions of crimes made by russians in estonia. There are even alot of girls in my hometown who torture other girls etc because they put a negative rating in www.rate.ee or whatever. Just most of the russians are idiot. That's the truth. It has always been like that and it always will.
#98
Posted 13 August 2008 - 12:10 AM
I mean, whenever estonians come to belgium they pretty much come to do some illegal stuff(rob,fight,illegal work etc) but that doesn't mean I hate estonia or their citizens. I know there are alot of good people over there.
But if you do generalise like this you're just a complete retard who doesn't know shit about the world.

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#99
Posted 13 August 2008 - 05:50 AM
estonia have belonged to russia since of world war 2, and it got independence since soviet union did fall in 1989+? (dunno years), so para, that is why estonians do not like russians
lmfao, I'm so happy that I borned in 1992.
btw. I agree with rocket, same reasons, why I don't like Russians.
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#100
Posted 13 August 2008 - 10:04 AM
Yeah it's pretty pathetic to generalise people.
I mean, whenever estonians come to belgium they pretty much come to do some illegal stuff(rob,fight,illegal work etc) but that doesn't mean I hate estonia or their citizens. I know there are alot of good people over there.
But if you do generalise like this you're just a complete retard who doesn't know shit about the world.
Agree with this, but there are different cultures in this world, which tend to make people the way they are. Gypsys learn to carry knives and avoid work, while russians get the skill of lying to authorities in their babymilk. This is just how their cultures are built. In russia, if you dont lie to authorities, they gonna mess you up.. so its a survival thing out there. But since people are taught to act this way before they get born.. they get corrupted and It`s not gonna change when they become politics.
The thing i said above is a huge generalization and im aware that not all people are the way their culture is. This world consists of individuals, therefore you can`t put people in small boxes, before you really get to know them. But it`s always good to know the culture and history of things, so you know what to expect.
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