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[executor]

But back to PONY, I always thought peaCy was the leader of PONY and sylt was the co-leader, pretty certain that's what the site said, or at least that's what hokie thought, I remember cuz we were surprised that it wasn't sylt's clan, the way he acted... remember looking through all the screenshots on pony.gg we were like... that fucking cheater peaCy played in damn near every war, like 95% of them, and always had 24, 26, 21, 27 kills. 

 

pretty sure you guys didn't have that many players... wasn't it just like 7 or 8 of you?  name the rest of the lineup that was "so good without cheating" besides you & sylt.  Also azzy... you didn't exactly play clean.  I always thought you wallhacked or abused 3rd back in the day since the -=OG=- days "when you didn't really play this game,"... then a few years ago, like 2014, I realized I was right when you posted that every time you ever played this game until you started the name Azzy, and joined {COBRA} or whatever, you 3rded.  The post wasn't editted recently when I saw it a few weeks ago

Edited by executor, 16 November 2020 - 07:41 PM.

[azzy]

I accused PeaCy on the old forums, back in 2004 or something. The post I linked just shows I hated that guy back in 2007 already and accused him of cheating.

I was the leader of PONY. (Not PONY`) together with Sylt. I can't remember everyone that played for us but pretty sure Luminaire played for us, Latikas, staff, Flatline, Drunken Master,.. but I was probably around 12-13 y/o. I can't remember most of it. It's possible that PeaCy played some games for us, but not for long. I absolutely hated him and always accused him of cheating. Just search these forums, the amount of times I'm taking shots at PeaCy is almost ridiculous lol.

I never played thirdperson, nor did I wallhack or aimbot. I dunno where you get all that from. I never played sof2 full for a reason, I hate 3rd.

Edited by azzy, 10 November 2020 - 02:30 PM.

[azzy]

I have an entire YouTube channel dedicated to me owning plebs, which goes back to 2008 or something. Never ever did I cheat in any of those games. Sure, everyone tested a hack at some point, I did too in TDM/DM, back in 2002 maybe, but in competitive scene I never touched a hack. Never been busted, and quite frankly, the only time I was accused of cheating was pre Demobuster/fairplay era, by HaZe a few times.

Edited by azzy, 10 November 2020 - 02:12 PM.

[executor]

I have an entire YouTube channel dedicated to me owning plebs, which goes back to 2008 or something. Never ever did I cheat in any of those games. Sure, everyone tested a hack at some point, I did too in TDM/DM, back in 2002 maybe, but in competitive scene I never touched a hack. Never been busted, and quite frankly, the only time I was accused of cheating was pre Demobuster/fairplay era, by HaZe a few times.

 

okay [TheLegend] ...

I got that from a topic you made in 2014 that I stumbled over again last week, asking who else used to hack, saying you NEVER cheated under the name azzy but basically the whole time from 2002 till 2007 you barely played sof but  you you 3rded anytime you did play

because you didn't really care about the game, everytime anyone saw you on the name [TheLegend] it meant you were hacking, and me and hokie both knew it from one mixwar you played vs us back then, like, inflixi days, 2004 or 2005, but me and hok figured it was wolve's brother by your attitude and the way you were typing smh and talking shit, saying "nope, not tyler, not benners, not kevvo",

 

and everytime you were in a public server it was obvious... {COBRA}smallpunyturtlewoody also hacked right when he joined cobra, I'm 99% sure of it, but I dunno if that was even you, I forget who it was. 

 

so okay, you never hacked, Azzy.  Only [TheLegend] did in mixwars and public servers (or 3rded on  -=OG=-lxx or whatever name u used) but that actually doesn't count cuz all of -=OG=- 3rd'd most of the time back in the day... which is fine cuz -=OG=- used to be open about it and make both sides 3rd, it wasn't cheating, they never did it to try to gain a competitive edge so they could pretend they were better players, it was just the way they preferred to play, actually took skill to get really good at aiming in 3rd) 

Edited by executor, 05 March 2021 - 02:29 PM.

[azzy]

Dude, "TheLegend" times were literally in 2002 or something lol. It was my first name on SOF. I'm amazed that you remember all of that. I used to play in Tea Hitman back then, and everyone, literally everyone there, used third person.

As for OG, we used thirdperson in fun games, as you mentioned, non competitive. Where gravity was set to 50 and we'd jump around with RPGS, or when we played the glass maps etc.

I honestly don't count any of that as actual cheating, since it were basically the rules in those servers/games. I never cheated in a clanwar.

[azzy]

You're so full of shit exe, I'm not even going to bother to respond anymore. You go back and edit posts when I already responded to them. You're saying I cheated from 2002-2007 LOL..

It's whatever, I think anyone that mattered in this community knew I wasn't a hacker. If you honestly believe any of it, ask Radical. He knows how I played in OG, or how OG played in wars. We didn't thirdperson or wallhack. Neither did I hack in PONY or whatever, because all of that happened between 2002-2007.

Edited by azzy, 10 November 2020 - 02:57 PM.

[azzy]

https://i.postimg.cc...roid-chrome.png

 

This is the post you mentioned, nowhere I said I hacked from 2002-2007.

 

I have always been a clean player, I wouldn't lie about that, I don't even game anymore. Nor does anyone read this anymore, I honestly think it's just you and me on here exe. 

 

I never hacked as "lxx" either, no 3rd, no wallhack, no aimbot. I always used the available anti cheats at the time as well.

Edited by azzy, 10 November 2020 - 03:26 PM.

[executor]

You're so full of shit exe, I'm not even going to bother to respond anymore. You go back and edit posts when I already responded to them. You're saying I cheated from 2002-2007 LOL..

It's whatever, I think anyone that mattered in this community knew I wasn't a hacker. If you honestly believe any of it, ask Radical. He knows how I played in OG, or how OG played in wars. We didn't thirdperson or wallhack. Neither did I hack in PONY or whatever, because all of that happened between 2002-2007.

 

I didn't mean to edit anything to change the context, sry

 

but nah I know how that probably sounds worse than it was, you said yourself tho in 2014 that until you started joining real clans like {CoBRA}, you always 3rded.  When c4 and 3v. were both new in 2006, cobra didn't play wars yet... not until 2007-2008.  That's why I said 2007

 

the post said whenever you played on [TheLegend] you were actually hacking, but you never wallhacked or anything in a competitive game under any name.  Then you asked who else used to hack back in the day.

 

I mean it's not that big of a deal now, i never hacked because I was always too obsessed with being the best straightup, it wouldn't mean anything if you cheated... that's losing by default to me.  Plus in 2003 when everyone was downloading mb0ts.exe because they were the new thing on the scene, hok told me that if I ever cheated even once it'd mean I would never be good enough to be the best player in the world, because I'd never be able to unsee it, in a war, in those situations where you're in the dark, you'd always be missing

 

and somebody else out there would be better,

because they were just focused on the chase the whole time, their love for learning never stopped,

 

and if I cheated I'd always need that crutch and yearn to take the easy way out and just cheat when it gets too hard because that door had already been opened.  It'd mess the natural development of your in-game instincts... it's absolutely a shortcut to becoming better quicker, to be able to hang @ the pro level, and become say a top100 player in the game, but it would actually stunt your skill ceiling if your goal was to become a top10 player in the game and truly become better than those pros we looked up to at the time like Farlig and $hekel. 

 

Plus i just hated cheating from how it ruined Red Faction, I was literally the best player in the world in a different game, put so many thousands of hours into it for years, only for the competition to die because there was nothing we could do to stop people from cheating, the top clans had no integrity and the game decided to cash in and make Red Faction 2, a new $40 game they can sell for PC and PS2!! instead of delivering on the anti-cheat they had promised the competitive scene.  You have no idea how devastating that was to the community that had been grinding that game obsessively for years, practicing 12 hours a day to become the best team-based PC players in the world (Quake was the big name for solo players that had dreams of dethroning FataL1ty`, halo wasn't out yet, counterstrike still a niche mod that was cool for 1-click kills if u had a good enough pc to play it smoothly, but it was way too clunky and punishing on movement, having to stand still to shoot was a cool new concept that deserves it's own lane, but between all that and the heavy reliance on flashbangs required to play at a high level, it just wasn't the same testament of teamwork and skill.  you couldn't thrive in the thick of the action like SoF)

 

but overnight with that announcement,

it felt like the game died, everyone moved on from Red Fac

then that reputation

those connections

all of that just gone in the wind,

there was no MSN messenger

there were only AOL chatrooms that no one used except to type a/s/l to show their support of American Sign Language 

 

we all would just keep in touch through the game, but suddenly, all the best players moved on to other games with the announcement of RF2 coming, and it was clear they were never going to update the original game because they didn't care about the community we'd put so many thousands of hopeful hours into building.

 

you have to start over from scratch somewhere new

where maybe you won't even be allowed to play with the elite, even if you are good enough.

 

so I just despised all that.  I wanted to win because I wanted to be the best. 

Not because I wanted my name to be known as the best.  The truth mattered to me, not what you think.  

 

plus being in the midst of a war like that was the most fun thing in the world,

and going from that 13 year old kid asking -HaZe- if they'll 5v5 us after, time and time again, as they'd kick us and skip over us five times in a row because another clan asked, and then at the end of the night they decide they'd rather 2on2 inhouse and take turns spectating instead of playing me, hok, prod, yosh, abu...

 

to eventually,

 well,

we were the baddest kids on the planet

in our universe, 

this digital first-person playground

 

  we had: 

 

$nugg, /  XiLLaX,  br0kenarm, dio, priest, Zio  taavi Ni ,  hokie,  FreeStyle`,  exe,  rocket, ampl~ify, eye2oo (Aytuo)

luminaire, ^ph4ze, latikas, lauri, jared, vari, sylt, nasta, inou, bruce,

wndows, darkness, prsk, bo^rno_va, ceto, maly, mathieu, daleetp0rk, c1, m4th

 

that was what our 1st, 2nd and 3rd string looked like

at the point in the game where lumi said it was too unfair, was afraid he was gunna destroy the game, so he went to -l-R-Z-l- so we didn't ruin the competition and make everyone else  quit / or  go inactive 

 

 

we legit had 29 people in my MSN 3v. group, think like 32 once we added master and panda and someone else, like deo volente.

 

 

 

 

but about what you said about cheating, a bunch of great players I still respect to this day, 12 years later, used to hack when they were younger, dio, |BoM| Chee$e, but they still became great players without cheats, like, I know beyond a doubt because I watched them grow as players

 

note: I just remembered some nights from playing Chee$e way back.  I don't think you guys realize how absurd the wallhack + aimbot was.  just absolutely no regard for hiding anything.  Full on rage hacking and then playing dumb, pretending he's totally gunna send us a demo, and then the next night would have the audacity to ask us to play again and would sweettalk us into how he'll totally record this time, yep, g_syn 1 then /record then g_syn 0... ok ok i understand now, dont worry i send demo after.  long as my pc don't crash

lollllll jk relax 

jk

jk

 

and we'd actually play him because -HaZe- big timed us all night and no other decent clan had 5

Edited by executor, 08 March 2021 - 06:44 PM.

[azzy]

I never said I "always hacked" with the name TheLegend. I don't know where you got that from. I only used that name for less than a year, started using azzy in late 2002, early 2003. Actually it was probably "AzTroN". I was never in the old COBRA, I vipped a lot for -COBRA- though around the same time I was in OG. PONY happened around 2004, surely, I never hacked in PONY.

You're repeating the same shit, just in a friendly manner now, you got it wrong though. It doesn't matter, like you said, it's been more than 15 years ago. But I never cheated past 2003, I'd stick my hand into fire for that. I started joining good clans and making a name for myself in sof around 2003-2004. Never did I cheat in a competitive scene or public under my own name. The topic where I admitted to using any form of hacks, I pointed out this was pre azzy time. Or lxx or any other name I used in the past, because "azzy" was like an official name. I played way more with other names.

All in all, it doesn't really matter. I don't know about you, but in 2002 I was literally 11-12 years old (29 today). Sure I downloaded a hack at some point, but as to repeat myself, I never used any form of hacking in competitive scene apart from one war vs CP, Kevvo busted me by walking up behind me asking what that was, some form of esp, I immediately deleted that shit. had to be a war with A52 still. 2002.

In a sense I feel pretty dumb protecting myself, when the last time I actually played was probably 8 years ago. The way you put it though was that "I cheated until 2007, where I became a good player".

I was already a good player around 2003-2004. I got some decent clans in that timeframe, PONY, OG, LP with Zippa etc.. even HaZe for a few weeks, until GzuZ used the boot on me, that's when I developed some kind of vendetta Vs HaZe and joined OG, I probably owned every war I played vs HaZe lol.. I used to have a 30/6 score screenshot from an insane war I played vs HaZe, they asked and received my record that time. Can't remember scary details like you do though. I'm already amazed I remember so much of this shit.

Edited by azzy, 11 November 2020 - 09:28 AM.

[executor]

tbh


- Rexel ( as ldr to control the team as i must since they are a bunch off wild turkey's )
- blue ( as my co-ldr and as my supporting AAPZ )
- Skoko ( AAPZ )
- Angel ( Angelboob )
- Camham ( completing 5th player )

 

 [B] was scary good in 2004 with AngeL` ReXeL, blue, GhostBusteR™... this lineup would be dangerous 

Edited by executor, 15 November 2020 - 02:58 PM.

[malydok]

Holy shit exe, you remembering all these things from the past is nuts.

 

My most fond memory is when Poland won the Nations Cup vs NL I believe.

 

It was always such a scary time to play against NL or c4, I'd call them the best players at least in that period, which I'm not even sure what period it was.

I miss the competitive spirit at times.

[executor]

haha maly i know you remember all those times we talked about how to play caseroom

 

Well, I talked... I'd say things in english really fast, then be like, aight did you understand all that?  And you'd be like.... maybe,  little.  

 

but then in wars... you'd actually do the things I was trying to explain,

 

so I knew a lot of it sunk in, at least on a subconscious level,

things that literally nobody besides hok and $nugg ever did when I played caseroom with them,

in terms of positioning, spacing, and teamwork. 

Even yoshi, he wasn't on that nerd shirt with me & hok,

he didn't listen when we'd get real deep into the theorycrafting,

he'd just say fuck it I'm just going to do my thing,

and played more of the c1/phaze/murdoc style,

like up close in the front right pillar mostly,

ready to dodge that nade whichever way it bounces,

getting a lot of shotgun kills,

and ready to rush into main and maybe get 2 kills when he senses the timing is right.

 

but me and hok envisioned the ultimate way to hold caseroom was to have 1 player do that,

since that position just always naturally gets filled usually,

but then have 2 players float around and dance between back-left pillar to podium to benches,

while the other fills the gaps,

taking over the back left pillar, the podium, and the close pat pillar...

but always staying 1 step ahead so we never get bunched up...

sensing when that pat pillar player is about to get naded so they need to move to the benches,

and the player that's been in benches for 7 seconds (first shooting at main, then patio, then main again)

is about to get knifed or something from pat,

feels the pressure that it's time for them to be the distraction and run back across the middle of caseroom,

opening up the spacing by prefiring their way back over to the kitchen side of case, and kind of continue that sort of circular dance.  But it has to be unspoken, unplanned, it's kinda like walking on a tight-rope in a category 1 hurricane, just like, any exact plan you have gets thrown out the window when the bullets start flying and a nade lands where you wanted to move next,

 

that's what made sof2 so great,

every round was like a jazz solo,

you'd just feel it out.

 

But the player it felt most comfortable with, the one I trusted to hold case with me the most besides hok,

was 100% you maly...

that's why I always say malydok was one of the best case players I ever played with.

Edited by executor, 05 March 2021 - 06:48 PM.

[executor]

(2/2)

 

see priest could hold case with $nugg

when it was me, sander, and tom, 

but if snugg wasn't the 3rd, it wasn't the same.

 

    + ph4ze could hold with me and anyone...

like, ph4ze, exe, rocket,

 

       ph4ze, exe  broken,

       ph4ze, exe, hokie

 

felt like when your first 3 hitters were: Jeter, Alfonso Soriano slugging 40 HR, Bernie Williams, then Giambi at his peak, in the situations he was actually good at, with no pressure because the other team has no outs.  2003 Yankees.

.  

 

                                                             

we'd let $nugg go do his  favorite thing: cargo

freestyle`   east

/

abu            east

/

varmir        east 

 

and that was when we were really clicking

sometimes st4ff would be the player cargo, or angel, 

and it just honestly felt like we were just... all on 1 vibe,

everyone knew where everyone was,

there was never a time that someone was out of position

and the team needed them to be there faster

 

 

r ocket       could actually hold caseroom really well with me and hok,

^ sten +   exe         +   broken      actually was one of my favorite lineups to hold case with...

felt like we'd always hold them under 4 rounds on red

both of them just picked up on what hokie was trying to do really quickly

but they were both better at handling the gunplay part of it,

instead of how hok would be in better positioning sometimes, may have had a bit better understanding of the footwork,

and evading the enemy's nades and knives and bullets,

could communicate slightly better, quicker, more precisely, could do next level things like orchestrating teamwork seamlessly,

choreographing double teams and pinches, 

but could only kill enemies with 150 ping 80% as well as either of them

so overall, the effectiveness, it was very close

 

but it was slightly different

 

with each different variable

 

which reminds me, Mr. N was a fucking crazy person to play against.... that motherfucker was on the level of moose in terms of hardest to stop.  That's why I always respected skilLess` so much... there was a time that you guys and [B] were the hardest teams in the game to play, even more so than any clan back then.  I just remember hokie making it really simple on our only way to adapt and overcome vs. the [ sK ] 's  of the sof2 world:

 

Rocket/Broken/Dio/Mr.N/Vendetta

Bluei (aap)/RexeL (JuuL)/GhostBuster  «Skoko

»a_ngel` / luminaire / ,

,richard/ steven /
ross/

/

                                                                                -=OG=_ Tyler

$nugg priest phaze butcher dal337p0rk

|she| seych/ |she| zippa / |she| Jessa* / |she| dena / |she| yankowich /+3 ... freestyle, speedi, finnie, tope, Ol., reimo, 

-HaZe- gzuz/farlig/ambush/radical/

prsk windows darkness c1 karfur / wombat kenny shivus

scantaxx jayro bruce amplify vannity

 

is someone NEEDS to get to that back left pillar in the beginning of the round, hok thought it was worth it even if every now and then Reflex just 2 shots one of us

once or twice every 10 rounds when we're running to the back left corner, because then 1 east player can instantly come back to fill, and the alternative is to camp kitchen, and he just decided we're never going to beat sK. by playing like sK. when we have 4 players with 100 ping and they have the best aimers in the game with 20 ping.  So like, the way we'd win is to commit together, get out asses in the benches in the caseroom, stay alive as long as possible, kill them when they're running into the doorways, and if possible, we'd try to take out pat as soon as soon as we figured out where the pat player was... we'd just rush it with 2 if we had 2 close enough to pounce.  so then we could focus on main.  

Edited by executor, 18 November 2020 - 06:49 AM.

[Juul]

this makes me smile and brings back old memories

 

i remember a lot of wars vs you exe. nerve breaking, but so satisfying if we would win. And if we lost, that was fine as well, since 3v was always a worthy and respected opponent. I remember the time when hokie just started 3v. when i was in it. Yoshi, hokie, i think outkast(?), abu and prodigy. And i was one of the only european players in 3v. The first war vs haze and hokie was all excited as he respected haze so much. We lost like 20-12 but we didnt care, all we wanted was haze to respect us as a worthy opponent. I remember having the only positive score on the blue side, which didnt matter since we lost big, but  i was still proud xD

 

I had to stay up late to play with the boys, which made it very difficult at the time. I left 3v. because of that, and hokie was really upset as i should just stay up and shut up

 

good ol' days

Edited by Juul, 19 November 2020 - 12:34 PM.

[doctorfunk]

When I played a lot of these players mentioned were retired or not playing as often

 

but later in the game meeting a good c4. lineup was always a test for us BRO| , we still won many games a lot which made me very proud, which was made possible by all the great players who played for us for such a long time.

 

Anyway meeting Steven, Lumi, Camham and Ghost was always a challenge supreme or even only 2 or 3 of those 4. It mostly ended with you getting spanked.

 

I practised sometimes with Cam, he is a really nice dude and was very motivated to become the best. He beat me bad in those 1on1 practices quite bad tbh, but still it's a nice memory I wish I was as talented as the guys mentioned in this thread, but oh well oh well it was fun to play vs the best and occasionally get a frag. During the times I played the top dogs were good c4 lineups.

[executor]

this makes me smile and brings back old memories

 

i remember a lot of wars vs you exe. nerve breaking, but so satisfying if we would win. And if we lost, that was fine as well, since 3v was always a worthy and respected opponent. I remember the time when hokie just started 3v. when i was in it. Yoshi, hokie, i think outkast(?), abu and prodigy. And i was one of the only european players in 3v. The first war vs haze and hokie was all excited as he respected haze so much. We lost like 20-12 but we didnt care, all we wanted was haze to respect us as a worthy opponent. I remember having the only positive score on the blue side, which didnt matter since we lost big, but  i was still proud xD

 

I had to stay up late to play with the boys, which made it very difficult at the time. I left 3v. because of that, and hokie was really upset as i should just stay up and shut up

 

good ol' days

 

i remember this... you like dropped 20 when everyone else had single digits, i thought you might be wallhacking.  pretty sure I was just in vent or like spectating, but maybe it was one of my trial wars with le ShuTTy, or m4th, chrono, abu, yosh, outy, Mr. Face >.<, ReXeL, smagmata, murdoc, MuSh, dio, apoc, shifty, pr!me, sten, odi. freestyle, prodigy  and hok or something.  I know for sure I was around that day, I remember the atmosphere... you described it really well, and I didn't miss a day back then

Edited by executor, 22 December 2020 - 12:15 AM.

[bing bang blaow]

oh yes I remember holding case very well

 

 

and not knowing how to pronounce patio

[executor]

priest^  bluei`  XiLLaX~  AngeL`  LuMiNaIrE^ 

 

or

that time I had to explain to my brother

who "gossip girl" was

 

for the last time.  

He'd seen it once or twice before, in a mix months before, I know because I was there, so like... he knew it was someone godly, but he wasn't sure who that was... and 2 seconds earlier he asked who Rupert the patio Legend was,

and I had to try to not laugh or cry as I answered, "it's Ross."  as I held the tab button open to show the scoreboard... my team was literally like,

 

3v. |rotucexe|

3v. |k-z|

3v. |ush|

3v. |vo!ume|

3v. |varimir| 

 

and he was just like... you're fucked.  Absolutely screwed.  "wait who's gossip girl?"

and I couldn't even answer him for a few seconds

I just laughed and looked over at him like, no, that's the worst part

 

"it's reflex."

 

and

I'm not sure who the one in the middle of the scoreboard was,

Yippeeee - Delllllllllllta I think

pretty sure

YIPPEEE - indosteel0

_{but I'm 100% postiive the one of the botttom was} 

YIPPEEE -  zippA

 

and as the match was about to start he said like, wow, if they had navy or dio, this would be c4. best lineup... best lineup in the game.

 

I looked at him like,

 

you fucking crazy

 

no.

 

this lineup, a lot stronger without navy.  Navy was GREAT back in 2004.  2003.  2005.  2006.  Him and Chrono were the best duo back in |TuS| days.  Navy was like this quiet, dignified Belgian SwissArmy knife, he was just a Green Beret when everyone else was mere Marines.  Ahead of almost everyone else back in Distort, Milenko? NoTag, ShiftTM Gaming, The Zoo, Huh's, but the competition caught up around the time of Dad's and the 2nd or 3rd -l-R-Z-l-.  Makes me wonder, what other games Navy used to play before SoF, because it seemed like he was a pro from the very first time I started playing the demo (the 2nd or 3rd day it came out).  Don't get me wrong, navyseal was still a great player in 2008, he could still drop 26 kills, get you 22 on one side against good competition... but so could nasta.  So could inou.  You're mistaken if you don't think there was a big skill gap when things got tough between either one of them and $nugg, xillax, reflex, windows, freestyle, priest, camper,

 

But the reason they were able to shine like that was because the other 4 players would 4 of the most selfless players in the history of the game...

 

hokie, exe, yoshi, RoBBaN

 

like when your first 4 hitters, are willing to bunt every single time

and make it so ever single time, there's 2 on, 

and they don't care that their batting average goes to shit

but that means the ones who get to fill the other roles, cleanup, benefit in their stats because they're always getting put in good situations,

so when 4/5 on your team all practice making sacrifices and having mediocre score because usually we have st4ff, $nugg, freestye, zioni or xillax filling that big hitter role, it means the 5th player gets to lead the league that day in RBI's even though they may not always be the best hitter in the league, like those 5 I just named truly deserve to be.  Sometimes it's deo volente.  

but none of us on bottom cared because it means your team beats the Yankees come playoff time.  Because it means you practiced playing the most effective way ALL the time, not just when you need it to count most, so then THAT is why you will be more successful, when October comes and it matters most in the playoffs.  

 

you just need a rare group of talented players with the right personality, like Kevin Youkelis, Millar, and Billy Miller, Trot Nixon, and a young Damon and hot-shot Garciapara leading it off for Manny Ramirez.  Like... that gave Manny so much freedom as a hitter, because every single time he'd come to the plate, there'd be at least 2 men on, maybe 1 out, and the other team can't afford to pitch too far away from him and walk him.  Like this metaphor isn't perfect because Manny was already a stud in Cleveland (where he had a similar situation with speed in Victor Alomar/Vasquez in the beginning of the lineup if I remember right) but you could put any MLB hitter in that situation, and they'd get more RBI's than hitting in the 9-slot somewhere else.  

 

But those 2003 Red Sox, they didn't care about personal stats, they just had too much fun seeing the other guys on the team succeed.  They all got more enjoyment out of seeing their teammates do well.  Hokie kind of built that same culture in 3v. and that's 100% what made it so much fun to be a part of... I used to LOVE like, inserting that "random" fifth who comes on maybe twice a month for a clanwar with us, and then seeing them be on top with 20+ kills

 

and like, being really happy to see them all excited because like, noone of us care,

 

hokie didn't give a flying fuck about score

me

yosh

we'd be more embarassed if we made 1 play that was pussy

because we'd know that hokie and yoshi and myself would all see that clear as day, and would think less of what each other put in for teamwork that day, because we knew we couldn't hide those things from each other.  We'd talk about those things at the end of every night, just like, it'd naturally come up, hok would be like, ooooo fucking exe, you bitched out on us at like 8-7 or whatever on blue in that first sK game, with FrZ`, and he'd describe it a little more in detial, and I'd know exactly what play he meant, and I'd start trying to justify it, and he'd just be like look I don't care what your excuse is, just next time, we gotta be together there.  And as frustrating as it may have been when he'd cut me off whenever I'd try to explain that I didn't make a huge mistake, that there was a reason I did whatever I did, I knew on some level he was right, and the next time that situation came, I would make the right teamplay without hesitation.  

 

even if everyone else in the game let those things go by, acted like they couldn't speak that language

 

like it was too abstract of a concept

 

we all saw it

 

crystal clear

 

it was what mattered most to us.

 

so when n@sta dominates with 24/7.

 

and then its. 

3v. | jared.|        - 9/14

3v. |hokahaha|  - 10/15

3v. |Lateralus.|  - 12/13

3v. | p@nda. |   - 14/11

 

but we win 10-5 vs |she|  ... we know that n@sta didn't conquer |she| by himself 

so like, we're happy to see him on top, but like, we know that just because he had the best score by a wide margin, doesn't mean that he that he played better than the rest of the team,

 

a lot of the time it was actually like the opposite, the rest of the team played the best, set them up perfectly, was in perfect sync and positioning, truly playing as fast as humanly possible, breaking the defense, taking down the hard kills, trading out together, being there with the team, but then they're last alive more often because they missed a few dozen unspoken ques over the course on the game, when they're supposed to know that when that action happens you have to not hesitate and go with the team, if anyone slows down to call it, you already missed the window of opportunity

 

it's why as a fifth, all 5 of them often shined and were on top when they played with our "core" lineup

 

but put like,

 deo volente

 vannity 

nasta

 sika

 daleetpork     vs. c4 or .|E's best... 

 

and those same players who dropped 20+ vs. those same teams with us, as the 5th, may now all go 5/20, 7/14, 9/18, 12/15, 10/17 when they have to make up the core.  And instead of winning 19-15, they get blown out 20-6

 

 

 

but back to the original point doc, you were one of my favorite opponents to play against, because I knew I was going to get a good game, you were a worthy opponent.  you wouldn't play for score, you and junior were really disciplined about your role, you guys played fast, if I didn't really bring it that day your team would totally beat us, you might not have always contributed higher than your usual 11-12-13-14, occasional 22 on the scoreboard, but you just applied constant pressure and let players like dark, camper, camham, azzy  reflex, shine at those 17, 19,  23, 26  usual spots.  Basically when I was playing vs. you I like, buckled down for a good war, got excited in like, one of my favorite kind of ways, because I knew it wouldn't become a scorewhore war like vs owng.perf, even if there was a scorewhore or two on your team.  So for that, I always respected you.  Plus you used to talk more shit to me than anyone, and always underestimated me, so I loved beating you more than almost anyone.  

 

When I played a lot of these players mentioned were retired or not playing as often

 

but later in the game meeting a good c4. lineup was always a test for us BRO| , we still won many games a lot which made me very proud, which was made possible by all the great players who played for us for such a long time.

 

Anyway meeting Steven, Lumi, Camham and Ghost was always a challenge supreme or even only 2 or 3 of those 4. It mostly ended with you getting spanked.

 

I practised sometimes with Cam, he is a really nice dude and was very motivated to become the best. He beat me bad in those 1on1 practices quite bad tbh, but still it's a nice memory I wish I was as talented as the guys mentioned in this thread, but oh well oh well it was fun to play vs the best and occasionally get a frag. During the times I played the top dogs were good c4 lineups. 

 

holy shit tho, playing -them--> back then in the   ownage.performance   days, 

                priest^  bluei`  XiLLaX~  AngeL`  [L]uM]i[Na]![R]e_

back when we realized the most intimidating tag they could wear is no tag at all, 

before sK. was ever even thought of in sof2, Lumi coming out of the fucking sky with a nade that lands exactly where you are, every time, if you're camping in the oddest spot in kitchen, boom he's got a beautiful triple bounced nade that lands right on you.  it just felt like wallhack.  Hardest wars I've ever played.  20-3 every time, lucky to get 20-6, had to play our asses off to lose 20-7.  I'd never been more convinced anyone was hacking, not even dio, but then once I started playing WITH lumi in: -l-R-Z-l-    

 

I just thought lumi was a god with nades.  But I guess as I got better as a player, I just learned to be more aware of lumi still being alive with a nade ... or mousetrap came out and pep stopped toggling shownormals or third lol... i really have no idea.  Wouldn't be surprised with how amazing of a player lumi was back in those days... (just realized... OR /follow commands) I saw him drop 45, 40, 50 kills in one side multiple times, then have an "off" side and get like 32 or 28 kills the next... vs. really good opponents like  me hokie yoshi prodigy zioni in one of our 3 clans together before 3v.  

 

or me, -l-R-Z-l- rattebles FoX varim!r Iougl

or me -=]vK[=-paahto [Ldr], varim!r, freestyle, dyynde

Edited by executor, 30 December 2020 - 06:44 PM.

[executor]

if there's typos or mistakes... I was editing, and it accidentally went back, lost all the changes.  I'll fix stuff later

[dynde]

Jesus. How do you remember all this? So specific.

Sof2.. God damn those were good days.

I wish i had some of my old demos i could watch. When we played with RZ. We didnt go vent or ts. We always played without mics.

If you see this msg rocket. Can u msg me via private for fainths discord or tell him to hit me up here in forums