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[BariS]

Yeah I agree with Slizer.

You can password a server and give it to the leaders. They will give it to everyone that plays/specs that they think that is reliable. So if there is any whine in scrims, it's their own responsibility.

Also sounds and admins are not a problem. Max has fixed the RPM so that sounds don't work in competition mode. Also people are not available to spec each other in any way in compmode, whether you have admin or not.

I don't think any clan will agree to 6 on 6, although it's set as a limit so that's not a problem.

I think we should also make a rule like, if for some reason a clan can't bring up enough members, then they should be given the chance to cancel it but only if it's done before a particular period of time? So maybe a new match could be organized? Or maybe something like, the opponents should be asked if they want to give them another chance or not, and if yes set a new date?

In case all the admins are taken away. There is a possibilty to add leaders in RPM. This feature is not known very well. But this way for example leaders can call timeouts ( imagine you want to do a sub, or someone goes afk very fast?)

can't come up with other things atm.

[BladHark]

- If a clan war is set on a specific date and time they must have enough players OR they will be forced to play with as many players as they currently have on.
- If a clan doesn't show up at all on the exact time to start they will be disqualified. A clan leader must be there in time with his playing-team.
- Spectators aka Cup Audience could be allowed only if they talk in team chat, and not in the main chat to disturb other players. If any spectator tries to disrupt the game or the Referee he will either get a warning or a temporary ban (and then unban after the cup match has ended).

- i dont agree on just playing 3v4 its a waste of time.. i suggest you follow demobase rules and just let the team with 4 players decide if they want 4v3 or forfeit.
- Disqualification for a noshow is a bit harsh imo aswell, should just be a noshow, unless it happens more than once.
- if the sounds and shit/chats are off, sure. I dont want some nerd spamming in spec the whole time when im dead so yeah they shud keep it teamchat o.o

[KaSS]

Yeah I agree with Slizer.

You can password a server and give it to the leaders. They will give it to everyone that plays/specs that they think that is reliable. So if there is any whine in scrims, it's their own responsibility.

Also sounds and admins are not a problem. Max has fixed the RPM so that sounds don't work in competition mode. Also people are not available to spec each other in any way in compmode, whether you have admin or not.

I don't think any clan will agree to 6 on 6, although it's set as a limit so that's not a problem.

I think we should also make a rule like, if for some reason a clan can't bring up enough members, then they should be given the chance to cancel it but only if it's done before a particular period of time? So maybe a new match could be organized? Or maybe something like, the opponents should be asked if they want to give them another chance or not, and if yes set a new date?
In case all the admins are taken away. There is a possibilty to add leaders in RPM. This feature is not known very well. But this way for example leaders can call timeouts ( imagine you want to do a sub, or someone goes afk very fast?)

can't come up with other things atm.

thats decent

[apoc.sL]

I think we should CANCEL/DISABLE player changes during the game, because it is 2 annoying and so.. Maximum mby 1 player change during the half, if there are some problems or so.. Prefered gametype - inf, 4on4 or 5on5

[max]

1. How do you check whether someone is on FP? Do you use the @check command plus check it on the website lookup? Or do you use the @fp command?
2. What if someone doesn't show up in the FP list? Does the clan get disqualified? What if someone claims that his FP "crashed"?
3. You can't allow spectators who aren't on FP: they can enable their wallhack and tell their teammates the opponents locations. Not allowing specs at all -- except for admins --seems best.
4. If someone is clearly cheating (aimbotting or wallhacking), can you ban him without proof? Do you allow admins who must record his actions before banning him? Does the clan get disqualified if a cheater is identified?

Edited by max, 03 March 2010 - 08:05 PM.

[krazzerous]

1. How do you check whether someone is on FP? Do you use the @check command plus check it on the website lookup? Or do you use the @fp command?
2. What if someone doesn't show up in the FP list? Does the clan get a forfeit loss? What if someone claims that his FP "crashed"?
3. You can't allow spectators who aren't on FP: they can enable their wallhack and tell their teammates the opponents locations. Not allowing specsat all -- except for admins --seems best.
4. If someone is clearly cheating (aimbotting or wallhacking), can you ban him without proof? Do you allow admins who must record his actions before banning him?

1) You just press scroll lock and the list will show up with all users on FP. If the person's fp doesn't work, he should get it fixed before the match.

2) It is the admin's job to make sure everyone's name shows up on the FP list. If the person isn't on FP, then they won't be allowed to play. If the fp "crashes" during the game, the team will probably receive a forfeit.

4) The admin will probably make a record about it and it will be reviewed by the Demobase Crew. If he was cheating then he'll be banned and I believe the team also receives a loss.

[Slizer]

Steven, sorry I didn't mean disqualify the whole clan if they don't show up on a match, what I was going to say: If a clan doesn't show up on the exact date and the other clan who showed up wasn't informed that they won't come, they lose the match and other clan wins it.

True, specs without FP can wh but I would then suggest that if you want to invite a spectator he must be on FP too.

- A match can be canceled max 1 time and changed date. The clan leader that cancels the match must inform the other clan leader(s) through PM or Email etc and/or referee(s).

Edited by Slizer, 03 March 2010 - 08:58 PM.

[KaSS]

1) You just press scroll lock and the list will show up with all users on FP. If the person's fp doesn't work, he should get it fixed before the match.

2) It is the admin's job to make sure everyone's name shows up on the FP list. If the person isn't on FP, then they won't be allowed to play. If the fp "crashes" during the game, the team will probably receive a forfeit.

4) The admin will probably make a record about it and it will be reviewed by the Demobase Crew. If he was cheating then he'll be banned and I believe the team also receives a loss.

all good just ur 2nd point seems a bit harsh tbh as fp can(or at least could) crash randomly during ur playing but once u run sof on fp, u wont be able to hack anyway or am i incorrect bout that ? ridicilous to give the clan a lose for ones pc fuckin up :|

[Junior]

yee idd wtf krazzy ff cus fp crashes is to harsh

[doctorfunk]

krazzy is a noob, i didn't even read his post, ignore him tbh

[XILLAX]

if he has fp at the start of the match and later during war soemone notices it has crashed, admin should pause game and player be allowed to go restart it imo

[Twister]

wow, such a friendly discussion in a topic:O wtf happened to db when i was away:s

[Slizer]

if he has fp at the start of the match and later during war soemone notices it has crashed, admin should pause game and player be allowed to go restart it imo

Agreed.

[krazzerous]

Yeah and god knows what happens while the FP is "crashed". Btw I would love to know how the admin is supposed to know that the FP is crashed, its not like he's pressing scroll lock every minute to see if its crashed. For all you know someone could just X out FP, hack it up a bit and then say omfg my FP crashed and you guys don't even realize it. You do realize that Full has more hackers than demo (definitely no offense to full players, just saying what you guys have said yourself).

You guys need to start ruling with an iron fist ! Show them that Demobase is not for Lifers man.

Edited by krazzerous, 04 March 2010 - 03:04 AM.

[max]

1) You just press scroll lock and the list will show up with all users on FP. If the person's fp doesn't work, he should get it fixed before the match.

2) It is the admin's job to make sure everyone's name shows up on the FP list. If the person isn't on FP, then they won't be allowed to play. If the fp "crashes" during the game, the team will probably receive a forfeit.

4) The admin will probably make a record about it and it will be reviewed by the Demobase Crew. If he was cheating then he'll be banned and I believe the team also receives a loss.

1) I'm concerned about the security of this feature. Unfortunately it's easy to show up on the list while you're not using FP.
4) That's a solid rule.

all good just ur 2nd point seems a bit harsh tbh as fp can(or at least could) crash randomly during ur playing but once u run sof on fp, u wont be able to hack anyway or am i incorrect bout that ? ridicilous to give the clan a lose for ones pc fuckin up :|

You can easily enable hacks if FP "crashes". FP does run in the background for a reason.

if he has fp at the start of the match and later during war soemone notices it has crashed, admin should pause game and player be allowed to go restart it imo

Seems fine. However, how many restarts are allowed per player per match? If your FP "crashes" you're still in the FP list for ~2-3 minutes. Afterwards someone has to notice that you're not in the list anymore and notify an admin, so you could hack for ~5 minutes per match.

wow, such a friendly discussion in a topic:O wtf happened to db when i was away:s

I'm impressed as well!

Yeah and god knows what happens while the FP is "crashed". Btw I would love to know how the admin is supposed to know that the FP is crashed, its not like he's pressing scroll lock every minute to see if its crashed. For all you know someone could just X out FP, hack it up a bit and then say omfg my FP crashed and you guys don't even realize it. You do realize that Full has more hackers than demo (definitely no offense to full players, just saying what you guys have said yourself).

You guys need to start ruling with an iron fist ! Show them that Demobase is not for Lifers man.

I think you're right about the amount of hackers. This could be a serious exploit.

Another question: what about the FP screenshots? Does the admin take them with RCON every now and then?

Edited by max, 04 March 2010 - 03:31 AM.

[krazzerous]

1) I'm concerned about the security of this feature. Unfortunately it's easy to show up on the list while you're not using FP.
4) That's a solid rule.



You can easily enable hacks if FP "crashes". FP does run in the background for a reason.



Seems fine. However, how many restarts are allowed per player per match? If your FP "crashes" you're still in the FP list for ~2-3 minutes. Afterwards someone has to notice that you're not in the list anymore and notify an admin, so you could hack for ~5 minutes per match.



I'm impressed as well!



I think you're right about the amount of hackers. This could be a serious exploit.

Another question: what about the FP screenshots? Does the admin take them with RCON every now and then?

I know my homie Butcher takes @fs every now and then. I think it should be a rule that if you're gonna admin a match, you should do @fs every 3 or 4 rounds to make sure nothing funny is going on.

[Slizer]

So the referee's must have rcon then.

Also, I say only 1 restart per player. FP doesn't crash that much tbh, if it crashes a second time for a player he should sub a spec imo, if there's anyone else available. And if not, then I don't know... give him a second restart? lol.

[Junior]

even when u close fp while playin u cant use a hack unless u restart ur sof lol

[KaSS]

even when u close fp while playin u cant use a hack unless u restart ur sof lol

Thats whut i meant but i guess max will prove me wrong in his next post

[max]

even when u close fp while playin u cant use a hack unless u restart ur sof lol

Don't be ignorant. There are numerous ways to hack when FP crashes, choose whichever suits you best. For starters, put custom shaders in your mod folder and reconnect to the server to apply. Also, I proved before that you can wallhack even when FP is on.