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[FLAiR]

So basicly you're saying that a yellow grenade which can be significantly recognized is not an advantage?
Don't forget AK74 is just 1 of the weapons you use.
You can edit every weaponskin in any paint program.

You guys want to make exceptions because Shifty played with it and it's a pity to see.
I agree Shifty shouldn't deserve this, but it's not about deserving.
Hitler was a great man as well for many germans, of course it's not even comparable to this situation, but the motive is the same.
He still broke many many rules.

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To be honest, I'm not sure which MODs should be allowed. That's up to the people who have knowledge about it. But in this situation, this AK-skin is a prime example of a MOD which has 0.0 advantage concerning the gameplay. You simply can't label a player as a cheater just because he used a AK-skin.

I'm not making an exception just because it's shifty. I'm viewing this from an objective viewpoint. I have said that we should delve deeper into this rule and sense that in this situation we can't ban the player, be it shifty or turqua. The background of the particular person doesn't matter.

I think you should reread your post again before posting and think what you're about to post. Somewhat comparing Hitler with a SOF2 player who only used a AK-skin goes beyond my mind and imagination. I don't know how on earth you even thought about Hitler while this case of shifty is so little. The motives are not even for a single bit the same. Please, consider what you're typing cause I find your mentioning about Hitler very disturbing. What the hell is wrong with us, look where we are heading? This is so crazy.

[~ACER*]

Lol don't take everything so serious JEEZZ

[duman]

THIS IS NOT A MOD, ITS A SKIN TO MAKE AK EVEN UGLIER

[luminoKo]

To be honest, I'm not sure which MODs should be allowed.

I am, none.

That's up to the people who have knowledge about it. But in this situation, this AK-skin is a prime example of a MOD which has 0.0 advantage concerning the gameplay. You simply can't label a player as a cheater just because he used a AK-skin.

You deny that Shifty cheated?
Like I said he could have had other edited weapons as well, but I'm not going to discuss that point, he used a MOD so that's enough.

That's different for everyone, that's why we appointed not to use any MODs.
Is it an advantage to have the whole map lightmap?
There could be 2% saying it's too light for them, but 98% see enemies probably earlier and find this an advantage.

I think you should reread your post again before posting and think what you're about to post. Somewhat comparing Hitler with a SOF2 player who only used a AK-skin goes beyond my mind and imagination. I don't know how on earth you even thought about Hitler while this case of shifty is so little. The motives are not even for a single bit the same. Please, consider what you're typing cause I find your mentioning about Hitler very disturbing. What the hell is wrong with us, look where we are heading? This is so crazy.

Ah come on.. a big atm, my neck almost cracked from doing this.

First of all, it was just an example since Hitler was a great leader, no matter how disturbing he is.
In THAT way (so no, not the whole killing gass scene and stuff) is Shifty as well here, he is a good guy with a lot of reputation.
That's what I pointed out in my post.

Why should I reread it?
I didn't even offense anyone, because I'm naming Hitler?
But for you I'll change Hitler to Obama then, better? smh
Seriously lol.

[FLAiR]

I've said what I think about it and it's clear we differ from opinions. It's okay, it's normal.

I think we can never ever accomplish better rules if our thinking and understanding of bigger, or even smaller pictures and cases, isn't going into the direction of a more logical and objective way. I even heard a story about ReXeL being ridiculously banned, same situation, many years ago.

Anyways, good luck, Demobase. You're gonna need it.

[Juul]

YES VERY DISTURBING! DEMOBASE BASTARDS!

[agertz]

NO FF NO BAN JUST REMATCH IMO YO

[luminoKo]

I've said what I think about it and it's clear we differ from opinions. It's okay, it's normal.

I think we can never ever accomplish better rules if our thinking and understanding of bigger, or even smaller pictures and cases, isn't going into the direction of a more logical and objective way. I even heard a story about ReXeL being ridiculously banned, same situation, many years ago.

Anyways, good luck, Demobase. You're gonna need it.

I know, I'm not insulting you but I can't believe indeed what you wrote, but yes we're different

What is wrong with the rules all the time?
Why nobody brought it up that weapon skins should be allowed?
Because either your guys are too lazy or lack the skill to look properly into the rules.
It's always the same, if someone is being accused people come with crap to defend them.
Changing rules with the majority agreeing okay, that's acceptable.
But for now just admit he cheated.

Shifty is not going to die lol, it would be only 3 months.
We will probably play Risk and stuff with him so he won't be bored, but let's go on this is not the point right now haha..

I was only comparing Shifty to a great leader.
He is in the administrators group and creator of fairplay, so he earns a lot of respect.
That's why I made that comparison.
We had many 'redicolous' bans here, but the people who got caught made this fault themselves.
Blaming Demobase wouldn't be nice, not saying you do but looks like it.
We made these rules so retards won't use MODs where you can hear bass-boosted-steps instead of normal steps.

My concern is not the rules but the people here tbh.
People choosing their own map in mixwars meanwhile we vote normally, people using lagscript when meeting a player in a battle, people voting only maps they got (some unknown maps like de_train_cs or something ), kids reacting to friendlyfire, people voting for new maps once they're losing, people ragequiting from mixwars, people still not knowing how to record, people still asking for my cfg for the 5th time or something because they lose it everytime, people playing Cup wars without fairplay, people forget to take fairplay screenshots, people want that mapchoice must be told now before the match (suddenly), people saying CO rules sucks because they lost.

I can go on but it wouldn't matter I think.
Time for a different 2012 boys?
Let's do it, drink an Einstein-smoothy and MOVE MOVE MOVE !

[nixon]

Interesting

[Fastlain]

Interesting

true, i saw nixon needed to rm some cup, becouse he used dink hud mod, its kinda the same.
just rm thiss shit and its all good i think both guys agrees to thiss.

[SyLt]

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Yea rules should be rules. He should have been banned if the cup wouldn't have its own custom rules.

Great leader comparing shifty with hitler wut? Shifty is the most humble guy with fewest post of every admin. Just drops in once in a while and makes a kick-ass anti-cheat program. He's really more like Goebbels imo

And I dont see how your list of things-you-get-annoyed-by had to do with this topic... o0 There's no working lagscript with fp (except the really bad one lol), and people vote for new maps cuz they are curious. And wtf you have so weird problems, like just don't share your cfg if you think sending it is a problem. And do you think people shouldn't have the opinion to rate the score systems? Why can't someone say CO sucks?


Nothing has changed, mods are still not allowed. Lets move on.

[defqon]

dont worry, shifty will get admin of the year or moderator of the year or something, and his prize will be being unbanned.

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[Foxdie]

-lumi you dont get anywhere using extremes like comparing shifty to hitler
-the ak skin is not yellow and in no way does this ak skin provide any advantage
-you cant assume he has anything else when ALL we can see is an ak skin
-should look deeper than no mods rule as the rule isnt specific enough

[SyLt]

True, there are perhaps 10 wars in this cup that has been played without fp where you can't see if the players have transparent walls and yellow nades. Why would anyone argue that shifty might use it but no one else?

[luminoKo]

And I dont see how your list of things-you-get-annoyed-by had to do with this topic... o0 There's no working lagscript with fp (except the really bad one lol), and people vote for new maps cuz they are curious.

That was not what I meant, players just vote for something to try to ruin mixes so the server changes and everybody got kicked because they don't have the map

And do you think people shouldn't have the opinion to rate the score systems? Why can't someone say CO sucks?

Also not what I meant, of course they can say that, but it's like because they lose they say like CO is boring man, fuck this (like that).
But yeah it's irrelevant to this topic content, so let's keep it ontopic.

[Juul]

-the ak skin is not yellow and in no way does this ak skin provide any advantage
-you cant assume he has anything else when ALL we can see is an ak skin
-should look deeper than no mods rule as the rule isnt specific enough

dude just stfu allready! im serious you are a complete retard

1st - lumi made an example of mods that gives advantages ( reason to bann mods)
2nd - YOU CANT ASSUME? you cant assume nothing either since you don't know shit besides that its shifty, there is no way to trace whats in a mod thats why all mods are YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ALLOWED!! by that your opinion isnt objective.
3rd - the rule is specific as it gets IT IS FUCKING NOT ALLOWED. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FAT SKULL. ITS NOT ALLOWED, PERIOD

omfg you suck man.

we are not talking about shifty's mod only, but mods in general. THEY ARE PROHIBITED YOU SACK PATATOES.

[HEIHACHI]

dude just stfu allready! im serious you are a complete retard

1st - lumi made an example of mods that gives advantages ( reason to bann mods)
2nd - YOU CANT ASSUME? you cant assume nothing either since you don't know shit besides that its shifty, there is no way to trace whats in a mod thats why all mods are YES ILL SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ALLOWED!! by that your opinion isnt objective.
3rd - the rule is specific as it gets IT IS FUCKING NOT ALLOWED. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FAT SKULL. ITS NOT ALLOWED, PERIOD

omfg you suck man.

we are not talking about shifty's mod only, but mods in general. THEY ARE PROHIBITED YOU SACK PATATOES.

your the one making scene in here you fuckwad

[Juul]

I'm fucktard, cause it annoys me with all the bullshit they come up with because its their friend. And somehow they just dont seem to get that what he's done is wrong.

go eat your orange dickhead

[l'ANGELINOOO `]

Closed it for a while.
- If Robert want's a rematch then we will have a rematch.
- If Robert doesn't really care and knows shifty won on a fair way and gives him the win then this will be done.

[XILLAX]

nice get mousetrap back.












jk rlx

BAD JOKE ACER

Because Shifty made Mousetrap too, he just gave source to burpicane when he didn't want to support it anymore.

Then Burpicane shut Mousetrap down because he was mad at Luminaire, and then modified it to work on full - with many bugs.


BAD JOKE ACER