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[asrael]

get a life bro

You do know this is a philosophy topic, right ?

You have the same idea of the soul that Socrates had ( atleast, partially ) The soul = your character. But wouldn't that mean that if your soul evolves, and you reincarnate, you should actually be the same person ( but a little bit more developed, if i may say so ) In a different body. I find these kind of theory's ( especially reincarnation ) hard to believe, as it's based on nothing scientific, just speculations/ancient calendars.

A friend of mine and me have also discussed "the paralel universe" a bit, a tiny bit. I am a firm disbeliever of the theory he brought, but you say it may "act like a heaven". How would it do so, as i would presume you mean your soul goes to that particular universe ( if theres one, maybe there are more ) as some kind of spiritual place, for us. This changes a lot of the things i've heard people about paralel universes, and i don't really understand what you mean by it.

[R3NZ0]

I think that theres not such a thing as your "soul,character". thats why I got to disagree with snugg. I noticed we are all the same all human beeing would make exactly the same decision when you have a easy choice to make. Our body acts automaticly to our brains and our brains just make the logical decisions for us without hard thinking makes u believe in such kind of "soul" yes.

Though im not really sure about what im saying becouse nobody got any certainty untill you are at the end of your time on this world. Ain't got no more time for a explaination going to miss my appointment@dentist lal

[snugg]

I think that theres not such a thing as your "soul,character". thats why I got to disagree with snugg. I noticed we are all the same all human beeing would make exactly the same decision when you have a easy choice to make. Our body acts automaticly to our brains and our brains just make the logical decisions for us without hard thinking makes u believe in such kind of "soul" yes.

Though im not really sure about what im saying becouse nobody got any certainty untill you are at the end of your time on this world. Ain't got no more time for a explaination going to miss my appointment@dentist lal

some souls feel frustrated and decide they need to hack on sof2 and some don't , so i do think souls exist and characteristics reflect what the soul is like, asrael.

and the theory of parrallel universe is difficult to comprehend but it means that our universe with all the galaxies in it, is just one of many in a 'bubble' of universes. Parrallel universes would occur when 2 of these universes overlap eachother. Also, it's believed that different laws exist in different universes but fuck if i know ive never been to other universes and its unlikely anyone will experience anything like it. I watch a lot of documentaries concerning these issues and there's so manytheories, and a few of them (which I mentioned) are actually pretty reliable, comprehendable and do make sense. i'm not a firm believer of all theories I mentioned but it wouldn't surprise me if in the future, with more advanced technology, it could be scientifically proven they did. eg parallel universes.

what i mean by a different universe which could possibly act as heaven is that it might be possible if someone dies, his soul gets ceases to exist in the universe we know and live in and gets transferred to another universe with different physical laws, levels of consciousness etc...
humanity is the tiniest aspect of existence there is

[R3NZ0]

I think that theres not such a thing as your "soul,character". thats why I got to disagree with snugg. I noticed we are all the same all human beeing would make exactly the same decision when you have a easy choice to make. Our body acts automaticly to our brains and our brains just make the logical decisions for us without hard thinking makes u believe in such kind of "soul" yes.

Though im not really sure about what im saying becouse nobody got any certainty untill you are at the end of your time on this world. Ain't got no more time for a explaination going to miss my appointment@dentist lal

some souls feel frustrated and decide they need to hack on sof2 and some don't , so i do think souls exist and characteristics reflect what the soul is like, asrael.

yeah, but that aint an easy choice anymore. mm well we sure know its really complicated when nobody knows the answer

[Dena]

I want to throw my few pennies on this soul part of discussion.

Human body and mind works like a machine. Very complicated one, but still a machine. If you take one component off from your brain, or it gets damaged.. your personality changes.

Our brains work with certain chemicals. If you take off Serotone or dopamine (developing fluids in your brain), you start to behave aggressively and in a negative way. Especially criminals are usually lacking these chemicals in their brains. Also If you pumb testosteroine in your body, you become aggressive, sexual behaviour increases and generally your "manly" behaviour and looks gets a boost.

Furthermore when brainscanning has developed, they have found certain interesting facts about the way our brains work. Psychos for example dont have much activity in their forehead part of their brains, where is our emotion and memory centre. While scanning their brains, researchers found out that the forehead part of the brain remains cold. Normal people got a lot of activity in their forehead.

If you get hit in certain parts of your head, your personality might change. Just a slight damage to your forehead, and you might stop feeling emotions any longer. It has been proven that by certain surgery, you can make human stop feeling emotions.

How do i explain the developing personality if we are just working with the chemicals then?

We got "roads" in our brains that becomes wider or tighter depending the doses our brains are inducing the chemicals. For example, if you tend to think positive things, the certain roads in your brains get wider and therefore stronger.. making your personality generally more positive. Looking it other way around, same applies for negative behaviour.

Alcohol is one thing that destroys your happiness due to certain reasons. Alcohol "cheats" your brains to induce certain fluids too much causing you to feel very happy during the alcohol intake. When you keep on toxicating yourself with the alcohol, your brains start to demand more and more this happy making fluid (resulting to alcoholism). I think this is why we have this kind of "moral hangover" during the mornings. By moral hangover, i mean that somehow you feel bad of what you did yesterday. You try to remember why your feeling bad, but you cant find any rational reason for that. I think this is because your mind remembers the good feeling the alcohol gave it and wants it back.. therefore you feel slightly unhappy.

Could go on ages and give examples why i dont believe in such thing as SOUL, but since no one will read it due to the lenght.. ill end it here. Just gave something for "all" of you to think about

[project]

seems like u have done much research and thinking about this dena... are u doing some education related this?

[azzy]

Education lmao.. what he said is logical and for me its the truth, well said.

[snugg]

I want to throw my few pennies on this soul part of discussion.

We got "roads" in our brains that becomes wider or tighter depending the doses our brains are inducing the chemicals. For example, if you tend to think positive things, the certain roads in your brains get wider and therefore stronger.. making your personality generally more positive. Looking it other way around, same applies for negative behaviour.

Alcohol is one thing that destroys your happiness due to certain reasons. Alcohol "cheats" your brains to induce certain fluids too much causing you to feel very happy during the alcohol intake. When you keep on toxicating yourself with the alcohol, your brains start to demand more and more this happy making fluid (resulting to alcoholism). I think this is why we have this kind of "moral hangover" during the mornings. By moral hangover, i mean that somehow you feel bad of what you did yesterday. You try to remember why your feeling bad, but you cant find any rational reason for that. I think this is because your mind remembers the good feeling the alcohol gave it and wants it back.. therefore you feel slightly unhappy.

Could go on ages and give examples why i dont believe in such thing as SOUL, but since no one will read it due to the lenght.. ill end it here. Just gave something for "all" of you to think about

i read it but my answers are as long as the chinese wall themselves so thats why.

So i see you looked at the physical aspect of the body now. I believe there's more than that, but I'm not gonna comment on that partly because i'm not really qualified to.

About the thinking more positive -> achieving more positive, I agree partly for the same reasons but there's this good documentary/film called the secret which explains that if you truly believe that you will get something positive, the mind will exert a force on its environment which will make this happen in some way. So for all the soffers among us, if ur in a 1on1 and you imagine and believe urself headshotting ur opponent, then it will happen muaha
thats my secret

[project]

i was thinking about surgery or something.. im not telling it doesnt make sens for me but i couldent bring it that way

[Seych]

Yeah, this being such a weird topic on these forums I wanna participate too. Of course everyone is different, make different choices, like different things, but that's not really because of some abstract mystical "soul". It's about, like dena said, human brain and the whole central nervous system, being an extremely complicated biomechanical machine full of different physiological processes and chemicals. Learning new things, memory, depression, aggression, ultra-violent behaviour and even "falling in love" can be explained, at least to some extent with the research done so far, with changes in these processes and in the amounts of these chemicals. And then these processes and homeostasis of different chemicals in the human brain can be affected by other chemicals or physical damage, like dena said.

When a baby is born, it has a certain genome from its parents and normally a functional brain and other organ systems, the function of these systems give the baby its personality at that point. Some babies cry a lot and others dont based on these things. Then slowly the enviroment starts to affect the growing baby in different ways, let it be for example the things he sees, hears, feels or eats. They all have an effect on the chemical homeostasis in very different and complicated ways and alter it to different directions, creating memories, making it learn things, making it like things, making it hate things. This of course continues throughout life making us who we are, giving us our "soul".

What comes to death, at least on the medical side, the primary marks are: the stop of breathing, heart beating and brain function. When these signs seem to be permanent and cant be started again the person can be considered dead.

"They say that we all lose 21 grams at the exact moment of death", true or false?

[Dena]

seems like u have done much research and thinking about this dena... are u doing some education related this?

Due to my profession we were taught how human mind, and especially criminal mind works. I have also read several psychological books in order to better understand my "customers".

If you want to get simple and mathematical...they say temperament affects 40-60% (its still argued of, but generally its between those) of who we are. That leaves you room to develop your "soul" by 40-60%

Yeah, i have heard the myth about 21 grams (and seen the movie). I would explain the loss of weight with pee and poo. When you die, certain parts of your body relaxes and at times....

[asrael]

Dena, alcohol also "cheats" the brain by being able to cross the Blood/Brain barrier, so do drugs and all other narcotics. Falling in love is imo just a way the body makes you feel, or you make urself feel. What i mean by that is what dena said before, if you think positive ( or in this example, think you really like that particular person ) you will be more positive, or actually feel you fell in love with that person.

Also, your character won't stop developing untill you are about 30. The way our character is shaped imo, is also as seych said, by the you are raised (parents have great influences on you, as a lot of people do have some characteristics their parents have aswelL ) and the things you experience throughout your life. This will continue, but will primarily happen during ur childhood, IMO

Certain muscles also contract, don't they ? Well, not excactly to death, but that is ( what i have heard/read ) a reaction to trauma, and death ( unexpected death atleast ) will surely be considered a trauma, wouldn't you think ?

[YoGGie]

Dena, alcohol also "cheats" the brain by being able to cross the Blood/Brain barrier, so do drugs and all other narcotics. Falling in love is imo just a way the body makes you feel, or you make urself feel. What i mean by that is what dena said before, if you think positive ( or in this example, think you really like that particular person ) you will be more positive, or actually feel you fell in love with that person.

Also, your character won't stop developing untill you are about 30. The way our character is shaped imo, is also as seych said, by the you are raised (parents have great influences on you, as a lot of people do have some characteristics their parents have aswelL ) and the things you experience throughout your life. This will continue, but will primarily happen during ur childhood, IMO

Certain muscles also contract, don't they ? Well, not excactly to death, but that is ( what i have heard/read ) a reaction to trauma, and death ( unexpected death atleast ) will surely be considered a trauma, wouldn't you think ?

you are so damn right my black person

[YoGGie]

hey guys lets do another topic.. this topic is to objective (i mean to factish) lets do another topic in which you have to talk about your life experiences in stead of the fckin study your already spending half of your day on.

i suggest we start talking about relationships! (hetero seksual)
i dont want to hear anything about gay asspounding.

you guys up for that?

lets start with a very common thing.. after something ends you always look back and said.. yea i would do that and that different .. speak your minds

[Haapis]

Science doesnt know that much about brains and their functions. Of course there are hormons and transmitters. You can even eat them, for instance heroin. Heroin makes you happier, but does it change your soul? We have all had fights. When we fight we have lots of adrenaline, however you still are the same person in the fight.

People tend to think that there cant be a soul, if something from outside can change your personality. However these people havent defined soul right.

When you get hit by buss and youll have your brain damaged you'll definetely change for outsiders. But for yourself you are the same guy. You will still have the same soul even though you would sit in wheelchair and never being able to talk anymore. Same goes for guys using heroin. They both feel that they are in charge of their actions or at least in charge of their emotions.

Dont you feel that you are something more than hormons? Dont you feel that in every situation you are in control of yourself? Dont you feel that you are actually something? You do because else there wouldnt be anything to live for!

[Dena]

Since i`m not a religious guy, i tend to rely on evolution theory instead of souls, Zeus, gugumugu or christ and god.

flowers, plants, bugs, animals, humans.. i believe we are what evolution has made us. Human is just a bit more developed from rest of the inhabitants of this globe.

Based on Haapises soul theory.. its gonne be hell of a boring next 50 years for the poor guys soul who gets hit by the bus. Nothing else but autonomic system is functional in the brains, meaning your soul gonna just stare the wall for second to another.. counting when the body will fail and the soul becomes "free". Or you suggesting casper the ghost gonna fly in heavens watching how your ex wife gonna do some cocojambo with your ex best friend?

[snugg]

lets talk about a new topic: ignorance aimed at particular people because of their greasy hair!! (yoggie was asking to change the subject )

[azzy]

lets talk about yoggie

[Dena]

Beyond that I'm not going to discuss as I find even saying all this pointless. The ones who believe and don't want to question their beliefs continue believing what they believe. Discussing about some issues is just a pointless waste of time, unless by doing so a person at the same time discusses with himself and clarifies his thought - then it's just a pointless charade.

This is exactly the point of philosophy. You take a subject that is simple and clear, then you twist and turn it so long that no one got any idea what your babbling about, they just argue and try to argument their own point of views, which make absolutely no sense.

One of my favorites in school was the debate if chair is chair. Or does our brain simply make us imagine it is chair? Imo usually philosophers just try to sound smart, while they actually got nothing to say.

I like discussing about things with people, makes you see things from different angles. Sadly enough these so called philosophers always discuss about things that got no actual meaning, or use for the people inhabiting this little circus we living in.


I agree with Yanko about the love part. Again chemicals rushing trough your brains and body making you feel love. What causes people to fall in love, or get attracted to eachother is another subject, which is rather interesting.

There are plenty of theories, but mine is that it all starts by seeing something positive in the other person. Often the person you meet, doesnt sound, look or feel attractive in the beginning, but when you get to know the person better and find something mutual or nice in him/her.. bond starts to build. You can test this out easily. Im sure you all got a person who you hate or dislike. Next time you talk or meet him/her, try finding something positive in the person. Could be pretty nose, or tone of voice.. or even thoughts. You slowly start to think different from the person. He or she might even start looking prettier, when you give a chance for that.

(now im off from work, so my post ends here heh)