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[doctorfunk]

Hi with other demobase moderators we decided it's time to make a new set of rules for cheaters. Some penalties may look too harsh but on the other hand all players who were caught cheating will still get a chance to "resocialize". Topic made by Yanko convienced me that most of you guys are unsatisfied by lack of clear rules considering hacking and by the fact that cheating isn't punished enough. Here's what we worked out:

BUSTS:

busted in war/public or mix
major hax (wh,ab) - 4months MBL ban, 6months ban from all demobase supported cups
minor hax (mod*,3rd) - 2month MBL ban, 3months ban from all demobase supported cups

busted in a cupwar
major hax (wh,ab) - 8months MBL ban, 12months ban from all demobase supported cups
minor hax (mod,3rd) - 4months MBL ban, 6months ban from all demobase supported cups

* mods are NOT allowed in wars, they are okay to use in public and mixwars(Unless server admins CLEARLY state otherwise)

Busted for the 2nd time = life time ban on MBL and life time ban from all demobase cups

UNSENT DEMOS:

3 unsent demos = 4months MBL ban, 6months ban from all demobase supported cups

1 unsent demo from cupwar = added to players unsent demos PLUS 6months ban from the cups

6 unsent demos = life time ban on MBL and life time ban from all demobase cups

DOCUMENTED SERVER CRASHING

once = 4months MBL ban, 6months ban from all demobase supported cups

twice = life time ban on MBL and life time ban from all demobase cups

FINAL REMARKS:
- If admin want to organize cup via demobase, he use demobase banlist
- Ban period will exclude players from any cup STARTED in that ban period. So if a cup starts during ban period, a player won't be able to compete in it after his ban is over.
- Cheaters caught from september 2008 will be punished with new system.(We had to select some starting date, whatever date we pick some guys who cheated will get lucky some, but we have to start somewhere. All players start with clean account exept from these busted in septemeber 2008.
- Unsent demos list will not be cleared.
- No server crashes from before october 2008 will be counted. Lucky you Butcher.
- Dio and Defqon are kicked immediatly from the cup. Games in which they played are NOT forfeited. Their teams will NOT suffer any penalties. Cup will continue without them.
- It's not sure wheter Asrael will be banned or no, Shifty should reveal some additional information very soon.

[Movsk.]

finaly, some hard rules...for some. most ppl dont even care about banned from demobase.eu.
or from cups etc.

[apoc.sL]

xzi, you will see.
XillaX and Richard will confirm 100%

[dAN-G_]

how are all these hax possible when fp is required at all times??

[apoc.sL]

how are all these hax possible when fp is required at all times??

there are still possibilities to by-pass & hax fp

[doctorfunk]

how are all these hax possible when fp is required at all times??

rofl where have you been last month

Since when is server crashing same as wallhacking?

Since it's lame as hell and spoils fun of playing, just like hacking.

[Twister]

gj mod team! ;]

[bing bang blaow]

how are all these hax possible when fp is required at all times??

rofl where have you been last month

Since when is server crashing same as wallhacking?

Since it's lame as hell and spoils fun of playing, just like hacking.

Not to forget we have 2on2 goldmaps cup coming up in which you can't use fairplay.

// few questions
- Unsent demos list will not be cleared.
So does that mean that everyone that haven't send their demo in demo request section from the first post (page 7, august 05, 2007) will get punished? Or only the topics with IP-SS will be taken care of? (there's no ipss for dsas topic for example) etc.
well if anyone that havent send his demo in demo request topic gets punished, haha, BYE BYE BUTCHER.
ohyea!
what about missing parts from demos?! does that count as unsent?! I mean 11 rounds missing is quite much


//edit 2
what about faking? even thouhg the topic says 'cheater rules' you bring up the crashing part, so give some info about faking too ;-]

[NavySeal]

Nice rules, good job.

[luminoKo]

Nice guys indeed, demobase cups also counts for css cups (if we will host it here) right?

[apoc.sL]

I think yes, since it's not ban from game, it's community ban.. in clanbase, you cheat in 1 game = you are banned in the all

[doctorfunk]

Demos topic must be backed up with IP ss or other valid proof. UNLESS player whos demo was said it was him, or the demo was sent, but is incomplete. Yes incomplete demo like missing 11 rounds should be counted as unsent.

[luminoKo]

Alright, and an idea maybe is to clearly set a date when somebody is busted. You can see only on the masterbanlist the following:

//DEMOBASE.EU OFFICIAL BANLIST//
84.81.146.188 // 3026 - Wallhack
86.90.68.186 // Ibotjiecheckasz - Wallhack
90.61.161.225 // French guy from TDM
82.157.210.30 // shizzleboy - www.demobase.eu/viewtopic.php?t=117

But I think it's nice for example if it's this:

//DEMOBASE.EU OFFICIAL BANLIST//
84.81.146.188 // 3026 - Wallhack [02-10-2008]
86.90.68.186 // Ibotjiecheckasz - Wallhack [29-09-2008]
90.61.161.225 // French guy from TDM [24-05-2008]
82.157.210.30 // shizzleboy - [23-01-2007] www.demobase.eu/viewtopic.php?t=117

Just examples, but then everybody can check when someone is banned and also it looks more clear imo.

[bing bang blaow]

willing to help sorting out players who have unsent demos

[Seych]

Everytime you guys decide to make some new fancy cheater rules, it means that all the previous real busts are forgotten, this happens around 3 times a year, I think the last time the bans disappeared was when lumi made some weird star-system.

And then the punishments are just as ridiculous as before, for example dio might have been hacking for the last 4 years, now he finally gets busted for it and he gets a ban of 6 months? Is that fair? I mean guys can happily hack all they want, and IF they get busted (usually they practically need to admit it, since no-one has the guts to actually bust anyone no matter how obvious it is) they'll miss one cup and continue.

I know you're in a for a good cause and of course it might be a working system, I haven't really been bothered about the issues of this community for a long time, so maybe I shouldn't say anything. But my opinion just is that the real problem with cheaters aren't the punishments, the only good punishment is a permanent ban, when its an obvious wh or ab situation. The real problem is making the bust, being certain whether some record is wh or not.

A year or perhaps two ago, we thought about an idea where the leaders and few others members from all the big clans, and today perhaps big teams, would form a group, who would watch the records and vote about them or something similar to that. Then they simply would have to kick the guy out of their clan and not to play him anymore. Of course the problem here is that even all the leaders wouldn't be mature enough to follow the rules and obey if a member of their own clan would get busted, even though all the other clans agreed on the bust.

[apoc.sL]

willing to help sorting out players who have unsent demos

rocket is 1 of them!

[bing bang blaow]

Everytime you guys decide to make some new fancy cheater rules, it means that all the previous real busts are forgotten, this happens around 3 times a year, I think the last time the bans disappeared was when lumi made some weird star-system.

And then the punishments are just as ridiculous as before, for example dio might have been hacking for the last 4 years, now he finally gets busted for it and he gets a ban of 6 months? Is that fair? I mean guys can happily hack all they want, and IF they get busted (usually they practically need to admit it, since no-one has the guts to actually bust anyone no matter how obvious it is) they'll miss one cup and continue.

I know you're in a for a good cause and of course it might be a working system, I haven't really been bothered about the issues of this community for a long time, so maybe I shouldn't say anything. But my opinion just is that the real problem with cheaters aren't the punishments, the only good punishment is a permanent ban, when its an obvious wh or ab situation. The real problem is making the bust, being certain whether some record is wh or not.

A year or perhaps two ago, we thought about an idea where the leaders and few others members from all the big clans, and today perhaps big teams, would form a group, who would watch the records and vote about them or something similar to that. Then they simply would have to kick the guy out of their clan and not to play him anymore. Of course the problem here is that even all the leaders wouldn't be mature enough to follow the rules and obey if a member of their own clan would get busted, even though all the other clans agreed on the bust.

I kind of agree, but on the other hand..who's gonna wait half year just to start playing again? ^^

[luminoKo]

But my opinion just is that the real problem with cheaters aren't the punishments, the only good punishment is a permanent ban, when its an obvious wh or ab situation. The real problem is making the bust, being certain whether some record is wh or not.

A year or perhaps two ago, we thought about an idea where the leaders and few others members from all the big clans, and today perhaps big teams, would form a group, who would watch the records and vote about them or something similar to that. Then they simply would have to kick the guy out of their clan and not to play him anymore. Of course the problem here is that even all the leaders wouldn't be mature enough to follow the rules and obey if a member of their own clan would get busted, even though all the other clans agreed on the bust.

I agree with the 1st part, the real problem will be hard indeed, once we have the rules (imagine how far we are behind) we must also have a good way to check what cheating is. A screenshot with wallhack is of course cheating, but some guys got suspicious moves like for example Blue's topic, some say he cheat, some doesn't.. who will conclude that it's a bust, so Seych got a point, but it's good to talk about it and not to think it's impossible, else we won't make progress.

About your 2nd part, I hope that won't ever happen, voting based on people. Voting is a good way to show people their opinions, but not to decide when someone cheats or not, not a fair system if you ask me..

[bing bang blaow]

Another question.
What about godmode, noclip, give me all, etc in clanwar?

think you should make this topic more clear, bringing up the 'minor' hacks (3rd, nearcull, whatsoever, not to forget about bugs - ak scoped, wallglitch, etc.), then the others.