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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:36 AM
1fx. is pretty open and cool about their work 
no money is asked for using 1fx.-mod
no money is asked to use 1fx.-Anticheat
no money is asked for changing 5 digits into 5 other digits
etc..
clientside and serverside 1fx.-mods are being updated all the time with input from testers and players from the community, no money asked..
why are people blind for solutions?
is it because people actually don't want to have a solution?
Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:24 AM
Maybe they dont trust 1fx since they where hacking with there own anticheat from day1?
Posted 08 January 2014 - 06:18 AM
all these weird rumours have been going on, but none of them is true as far as I know. If you're refering to Joost who got caught with wh, he was not using our anticheat..
funny how this comes from a demoplayer, this only shows how big of a rumour it is I guess lol
I guess people will keep believing what they want to believe, sadly only few people seem to be able to follow their own believes and do some own research instead of believing the first moron who shouts something random without proof.
Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:05 AM
all these weird rumours have been going on, but none of them is true as far as I know. If you're refering to Joost who got caught with wh, he was not using our anticheat..
funny how this comes from a demoplayer, this only shows how big of a rumour it is I guess lol
I guess people will keep believing what they want to believe, sadly only few people seem to be able to follow their own believes and do some own research instead of believing the first moron who shouts something random without proof.
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 10:53 AM
lol go for it. I doubt you last through 1 week of a Java course learning about polymorphism let alone learn how to be a computer programmer.
anyways, i would have to solidly disagree with you steven. It's not because he has a reputation. Max doesn't really have any reputation here last I remember. Honestly I had no idea who max was until he made a post here in 2011 about porting an RPM mod for demo since full already had one. He actually kills his reputation even more than if he would have sold the damn thing by saying it's not worth it. You're literally taking a dirtbag in the ground and putting it on the highest pedestal demobase has to offer, which is retarded. If he wanted to be respected, he'd allow us to continue playing the game we love using the mod he made which enhances the atmosphere and gameplay.
But to each their own, I suppose. I have a much less clouded vision of respect. And honestly, I still do have 2k3_RPM_Server.dll files that I copied over via FTP from a hosted server once, but nobody seems to care that I've mentioned that several times. Nobody offers me money for it either, so I really doubt anyone offered Max a thousand dollars and was serious about it. Seems to me like he's just a dude who hates the guys at 1fx for hacking and tampering with his servers via DDoS, hence he hates all of sof2. He's a blind bigot. Look these words up if you don't know them, since I speak the truth.
Notice he made little effort to defend his servers from DDoS attacks. After a while they became unplayable and he just gave up on everyone here. So that makes max a kind of guy who's only trying to maintain his respect? Nah, if he wanted my respect, he would've made at least some effort in RAID protection or contacting others. He'd satisfy his ends with his gains, but he rather gave up than any of that little effort it'd take. he's the least form of wanting the best for anyone and he's very selfish, thus I respect him very little as both a computer programmer and sof2 player. What he did is not that impressive, if you check a topic someone posted about Sof2 Premium, I posted ways to replicate RPM through some simple researching, learning, and trial and error and provided three links to Raven supplements and outside supplements.
And before anyone asks why I don't do it. Because I agree with max and I am a disrespected person here also, I don't think the players of SoF2 as it stands right now are worth any effort put into making this game more alive because they're full of kids who have played the game longer than us but continue to just hack or sit in our mumble channels while we war against them or suck completely and then talk mad shit because they lack any respect. Maybe if old schoolers come out of hiding I'd think it's worth it, but it'll never happen. Maybe in 6 more years when Mahi and the rest of Sof2 are becoming 18 years old and more mature.
Were my exact thoughts about Max as well.
Especially the part about serverhosting.
I can't blame him for anything since it's his own code and he gave us joy the period RPM was still there, but it gave me the impression he gave up so quickly, like okay I got my money I'm out of here.
We are still playing the game, so this project could work.
It is just a fact that if a game has more efficient and attractive modifications, more players will come back.
It requires:
- good communication and propaganda to get old players back, but with the right people who can do that. No selfboost here but I got !nfuriating already back on track and I could get more players, with the help of everyone this is doable.
- the coding, maybe the hardest part but we got smart people out here. The only question is like you mentioned if they feel like 'wasting' time to code for a small community. I put 'wasting' between '' because some see it as wasting, some as improving yourself in code. Imagine sof would be dead, it was not all for nothing since the coder learned from this project. I might be willing to pick this up with some people like you, Shifty, Xillax, Foxdie, Rocket, Butcher, Fleim and some other gurus out there. Not some guy like Max who was only going for the profit and forgot about the nostalgia we still have in this game. Won't be easy but it's possible. Once we go for this, more doors will open I'm pretty sure. I am even sure we can host cups for money, so people will come back. Don't get me wrong, not trying to 'save' the game with nice words, no it's even very hard, but in my eyes it's light in the darkness. Yesterday we played several mixwars and it was pretty fun, so there is still joy in this game no matter how small group we are. But once we go for this it requires some issues to put a side like our prides and history. I'd like to co-op with you guys for this so.
- But an underestimated point is the DDoS attacks. It seems nowadays servers are still lagging. It has no use (re)creating RPM once we still lag in the servers, so we need good security for this or another method to prevent DDoS.
Anyway my point of view, I still find joy to play without RPM as well but it would be nice to have it back. We got the sources like you said, but not the willing and the brain yet, but we could work on that.
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 11:42 AM
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 01:10 PM
@Pep, don't discount what Foxdie said regarding how the rules of our usual sof2 wars need to be changed to make the game more enjoyable first and foremost, and I doubt that would ever happen with most of the players playing today.
I still don't think it's worth it, even after what you said. Mainly because I don't see me coding anything sof2 related is an improvement of my programming abilities. This is quite a odd statement to make, usually made by people who don't have any experience in the world of computer science. Figuring out some hooks, connecting statements, and fiddling with the code of an outdated Quake engine would be pretty waste of time if you ask me when there are so many other engines out there worth learning, particularly OpenGL (broader 3D graphical spectrum), Crysis, etc.
The underestimated DDoS as you mentioned, is virtually impossible to be fully secure against, you realize this? Packet flooding isn't something easily prevented due to the fact that online multiplayer games send thousands if not millions of UDP packets between players very quickly, similar to the flooding that'd be used by several different computers to flood one hosted server's IP address. This is the most common form of DDoS and probably what Max was dealing with. There are some measures of security, such as RAID protection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID), which is really just a counter-measure for DDoS to prevent the server from being blindsided and shutting down or overflowing, not an actual prevention of attack. You realize that in order to get rid of DDoSers, you probably have to get rid of all potential threats from being able to access the servers we play on, meaning completely banning all the computers Butcher owns, pretty much banning all of the 1fx kids and their known IP addresses as well as their mobile phones, and most other hackers/known server crashers/etc.
EDIT: Overall, I think what you are asking for is a collaborated effort by the entire Demobase and Sof2 community to re-invent the game. But you don't want that to happen and nobody here suggests anything similar except for maybe a few people. Me, Foxdie, pretty sure Fleim and Rocket, and most of the others I'd like to mention are gone already playing League of Legends competitively or working full-time because we all grew up over the last decade.
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In my opinion, advertising a 10+ year old game will not work as efficiently as you all are saying it would. Imagine it yourself, and instead of saying "advertise it!", give us an idea of how YOU would advertise sof2 to gain more players? "Come join a glitchy fast paced game where most of the players know every position and would never change the rules of the game to make it more fast paced and fair, but rather enjoy a slower paced 30-50 minute game that, for the majority of the time, is played on a single map." I just don't see it working out, and advice like "advertise it" is completely mis-guided and not supplied with any evidence as to how it would potentially even possibly work to the littlest extent.
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Edited by forgylicious, 12 January 2014 - 01:16 PM.
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 03:30 PM
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 03:57 PM
Duh, mani. Don't you see it's an endless loop? Over the last two years there have been multiple 10 page topics about this where it's repetition and then you come in and diss everyone. Pretty obvious isn't it? Glad you're catching on now.
Also, writing is easy for me. I know you guys find it difficult to understand a few sentences in a paragraph form, but it's actually the way English is written in a comprehensible way. I know you probably find this to be paradoxical, but the way the majority of people on this said forum write make it difficult for native speakers and linguists, such as myself, to understand what the hell you're talking about.
Luckily, I speak many types of dialects, know my ebonics and slang, and can generally understand retards since I've volunteered working with helping special needs kids in schools such as yourself. So ultimately, those three to four paragraphs I write that you find to be "huge elephants" when you are probably high are simple to me even when I'm stoned on a Sunday morning.
Edited by forgylicious, 12 January 2014 - 04:00 PM.
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Posted 12 January 2014 - 04:42 PM
Duh, mani. Don't you see it's an endless loop? Over the last two years there have been multiple 10 page topics about this where it's repetition and then you come in and diss everyone. Pretty obvious isn't it? Glad you're catching on now.
Also, writing is easy for me. I know you guys find it difficult to understand a few sentences in a paragraph form, but it's actually the way English is written in a comprehensible way. I know you probably find this to be paradoxical, but the way the majority of people on this said forum write make it difficult for native speakers and linguists, such as myself, to understand what the hell you're talking about.
Luckily, I speak many types of dialects, know my ebonics and slang, and can generally understand retards since I've volunteered working with helping special needs kids in schools such as yourself. So ultimately, those three to four paragraphs I write that you find to be "huge elephants" when you are probably high are simple to me even when I'm stoned on a Sunday morning.
Super Elite
Posted 12 January 2014 - 10:11 PM
glad to see my name brought up 
! but I've pretty much quit any competitive gaming and partake only in casual LoL/CSGO once a week or so. however, if by a miracle you somehow manage to attract new players to SoF2, I am willing to help new players get to competitive level fast, I have some great ideas while not directly related to sof2, still applicable. no doubt I'd be willing to play a war here or there, too!
but personally I think it's time to let go unless you can come up with a different formula for competitive games because let's be honest, who the fuck will be interested in one map-one gametype game on an old Q3 engine. i wont go into detail but I think the improvements needed to get this game back on its feet are so big that it's almost worthless to try, not to mention that even if we fixed everything there would still be no guarantee that new players will be attracted.
i have no basis for this assumption, just my intuition, but I believe there is a playerbase looking for a good ol' fashioned first person shooter alike to Q3s/CS1.6/sof2/ya name it that's fast paced and is up to todays standards graphics&gameplay wise while not being overly complicated with stupid shit that games nowadays come with. look at sof2, it is pretty straight forward and quite simple while at higher level the competition can be tough. go create or mod an existing game to fit those needs and you might have something worth talking about IMO.
with all that being said, I still think sof2 was a wonderful game and while I spent majority of my adolescence in SoF2 and demobase forums I regret nothing, but the game died quite long time ago for me.
Edited by bing bang blaow, 12 January 2014 - 10:27 PM.
Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:15 AM
You could make top 10 game videos off the year With SoF2 in it, But make sure you tell them how to download the game etc. Advertise the game on other games tell your friends/others about it . Half of the world dont even know About SoF2 about 700 players know about the game. Advertise all the SoF2's Trust me it could work
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Posted 13 January 2014 - 04:48 AM
You could make top 10 game videos off the year With SoF2 in it, But make sure you tell them how to download the game etc. Advertise the game on other games tell your friends/others about it . Half of the world dont even know About SoF2 about 700 players know about the game. Advertise all the SoF2's Trust me it could work
YEA THIS TOTALLY MAKES SENSE AND WOULD WORK OMG
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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:12 PM
Pep, none of the guys you named are able to code anything except Shifty knows some csharp. Though I'm pretty sure he can't produce what Max did, or willing to put any time into it.. he's busy as it is with his own business.
I would play again if we had RPM or anything similar to RPM but the state sof is in atm, nah.. I can't be arsed to play, haven't even got it installed anymore atm.
As for RPM, I respect Max's childish decision of holding on to the code (if he has not yet disposed of), our community hasn't exactly been the best with Max but then again, his server pricings were ridiculous for this shitty old game.. and I believe the ddos bullshit came from 1fx guys too, dunno why that shit affected Demo then, you had plenty of people hiring servers on Demo. If RPM hadn't vanished, more people would still be playing..RPM is what made things interesting again for me and pretty sure for other people too, when Max took it down I basically quit SOF2, couldn't go back to Vanilla gameplay.
Now you have this code sitting rotting away because you can't make $ from it and once in a while, you log into the forums to stab the knife and twist it around a little more, atleast from the last posts I've seen from you Max. I understand that it is your code, you do whatever you want with it but please, stop being a douchebag on this forum lol.
If someone offered you a 1000$ for it, why wouldn't you go for it LOL, unless your 5 servers on demo and full for the past 2-3 years made you a billionaire.
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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:21 PM
hes like a lil girl .. askin for attention or smt. i mean what kinda busnis man are u ? put the code back online take ur 1000 dollars.. and rent ur fkn servers again.. in long term ull get ur money .. instead of blockin all shit.. and get no fuck at all..
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