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[maniman]

http://www.freethinker.nl/forum/viewtop ... ea7f0e9d6c

[Samuel]

Some ppl in here stil don't understand the situation...I don't get isreal ofc i get them on some part but...Its impossible to kill all Hamas....its just like your trying to walk on water..just an example..Hamas is an organisation wich is not see like an army...the jews call them terrorist...we call them martyr..also Hamas is killing innocent people..but thats what they want..its their target...you can say its sad..i can tell you it is. but so are terrorist...thats why people call them the strongest of the world wich they are i think...its not becuze of the technoligy, not of their weapons its becuze of brains, their so smart their spread out in the country...you dont know its a terrorist cuze they hide their nationality...thats what them make strong...thats why its hard if you got an oppenent like this...its just impossible to kill them even when you have the biggest army..keep it real dont come with science fiction army.

They are hiding in their holes and sometimes get out to send some rockets on civilians, and you are calling it strong?

[agertz]

Hamas are not strong, they are weak and even lame since they use innocent peoples as A HUMAN SHILED! and then the world claims that israel kills innocent peoples, that's all Hamas's fault. I would rekon them as "newbs" in fps game lol. Borno, it's not israel the pussies, it's palestine.

[adrenaLine]

1.MBL Hamas for 2 years
2.Range ban all terorists from palestine
3.Since there is follow enemy 0 israel cant find Hamas
4.Anyway if there would be follow enemy 1 they wouldnt find Hamas because he banned them on ventrillo/teamspeak

[doctorfunk]

Okay following your reasoning, if terrorists in Israel take over a school and use people as human shields you obviously gonna bomb them, right? Ofcourse you would feel sorry for poor children, but it was terrorist fault to take them as human shields. I think thier mothers would understand, it was for the right cause. Or maybe you it's just that you don't give a shit for another dead arab kid?

[maniman]

lol. if i would live in israel and even if 1 family member got killed by some newb 1940 missles i would nuke bomb whole palestine if i never did anything wrong to them before. but if i was palestine i wouldnt hide behind innocent people because that is, 1 word. SICK.

i hope that shows whos evil and who's not.

[doctorfunk]

lol. if i would live in israel and even if 1 family member got killed by some newb 1940 missles i would nuke bomb whole palestine if i never did anything wrong to them before.

Well if you would be some palestinian kid you would prolly blow up yourself in some isrealian city then.

but if i was palestine i wouldnt hide behind innocent people because that is, 1 word. SICK.
i hope that shows whos evil and who's not.

Yes that's really immoral thing to do. But both governments are evil tbh! And if you ask me my government is evil as well, sending troops to Iraq hoping that we could gain profits after the war.

[TDK6]

Israel should be barred from the United Nations
GAZA FTW

As you can see its not in their interest for any kind of peace. The US should not get involved (what would be the result). Should the US get involved then we would have yet another war in our hands. There would be no end to all the wars.

Diplomacy has failed.

[Murat]

First of all israel has to thank Turkey that it now still exist, back then jews were not welcome in Spain and Portugal so they were expelled, they couldn't go anywhere, but then there came an invitation of the Ottoman Empire to the jews to come to the middle east to live there in peace, that land that called israel was more then 400 years in hands of the Turks , israel should be really gratefull of the Turkish Empire,
Suleiman the Magnificent, biggest leader and most honorable of all time, under his command there was peace 400 years in jerusalem, Muslims, Christians, , jews, all were living in peace.
http://www.tamilnation.org/images/intfr ... empire.jpg
if you want comepare Turkey with israel here you go:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countrie ... detail.asp
israels only adventage is their newest technology, but technology is going untill 1 point, what then? by every small war israel needs help of their reserves, you call that 4. strongest? lol? 1 of the smallest army's of the world they have.

but like most of everything, in all good things there comes an end, arabs backstabbed Turkey with much promises and misleading from the british that they would give saudi arabia independence after the war. British empire, France, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland all came together to Gallipoli in Turkey to fight against the Turkish Empire, on the other side of Turkey, Russia, Armenia, and Georgia came to fight, so much country's against Turkey but we had the victory in the end, at cost of high prices but Turkey had won, so dont even compare Turkey with israel, cos israel are the scariest soldiers, scariest people in all the world, israel has proven nothing, only what they can do is to kill innocient ppl with much AIR bombs in an area witch none country in the world would do (except America).
Most of you dont know much why this issue has begun, is has nothing to do with Hamas, israel has planned this operation months ago when there was still cease-fire, Hamas was elected by Palestinians people legally so you cant call it terrorists, since 2005 Hamas stopped with suicide bombs in israel, It wasn't even launching rockets into israel but what israel did? they promised to lift the blockades but they didnt, Hamas was building schools, hospitals, they gave food/ water to the Palestinians, how terrorist organisation is that ha??

On November 4, 2008 the ceasefire began to break down after Israeli forces killed a Hamas gunmen in a raid inside the Gaza Strip, also 5 Palestinians citizens were killed, Hamas asked israel to lift the blockades once again, but israel refused, hamas said they could get a second change for the cease-fire if israel would stop their agression and open the borders, israel refused once again, Hamas blamed Israel, it had not respected its terms, including the lifting of the blockade under which little more than humanitarian aid has been allowed into Gaza, after it hamas began with firing rockets again, but it was provocated by israel, this is what israel wanted, it's all filthy politics, just for the election in a few months, they began with this action.

To Xillax there are some truths about what you say, but you follow this from only 1 side, you dont know what is really happening in there, i am watching this on both sides but on israeli news i see most of lies, they censure everything, they dont show much things, watch al jazeera news also to see the really truth about this conflict, also to the jews in israel watch al jazeera also, hamas wants more freedom for the palestinians, no blockades, opening the border then this conflict could end, but israel keep rejecting this so if there is someone to blame then that is israel! to bar etc you are not even worth to talk by claiming hamas killed more then 3000/4000 israelis, your just like your leaders, only lies.
Since 18 december the food supplies stopped from the UN because of the blockades of israel, you know what that means for a region that lives day by day? thanks to the tunnels hamas could get food and water, if there wasn't any tunnels much more innocient people would be dead now because no food, people were looking into trash for food, even some drink their own piss because of no water and nothing?? u knew that jews? i doubt so because ur nice israeli leaders and tv stations would never tell this ofcourse. This is pure GENOCIDE!
I see that jews forget their history, i see that they haven't learned anything about it, now doing it worse to the Palestinians, It's sad really sad, if israel would see the Palestinians as humans, giving them rights that everyone in this world deserves to life, openining the borders for food/water supplies this really could change but unfortunatally israel acts like Palestinians are trash.

watch and see their real faces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefIti-u ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuWOi56 ... re=related
hamas is the voice of the palestinians and its growing and growing, no wonder, what would you do if you get treated like a animal every day??
i am sorry that this was a bit to long, but i get really frustrated of it.

[madturk]

saw the links , 1 word retards

[phil]

ye finally some1 who got some good facs. its not like the hamas is sending rockets and killing jews cause they are bored and think its funny. but there is no point in discussing this with bar and or since they are from israel and ofc they got a different opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&NR=1
is this ur war? for real and with this u wanna change something? u wanna make peace?
well there is no fucking way to defend this anymore

[uMii]

First of all israel has to thank Turkey that it now still exist, back then jews were not welcome in Spain and Portugal so they were expelled, they couldn't go anywhere, but then there came an invitation of the Ottoman Empire to the jews to come to the middle east to live there in peace, that land that called israel was more then 400 years in hands of the Turks , israel should be really gratefull of the Turkish Empire,
Suleiman the Magnificent, biggest leader and most honorable of all time, under his command there was peace 400 years in jerusalem, Muslims, Christians, , jews, all were living in peace.
http://www.tamilnation.org/images/intfr ... empire.jpg
if you want comepare Turkey with israel here you go:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countrie ... detail.asp
israels only adventage is their newest technology, but technology is going untill 1 point, what then? by every small war israel needs help of their reserves, you call that 4. strongest? lol? 1 of the smallest army's of the world they have.

but like most of everything, in all good things there comes an end, arabs backstabbed Turkey with much promises and misleading from the british that they would give saudi arabia independence after the war. British empire, France, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland all came together to Gallipoli in Turkey to fight against the Turkish Empire, on the other side of Turkey, Russia, Armenia, and Georgia came to fight, so much country's against Turkey but we had the victory in the end, at cost of high prices but Turkey had won, so dont even compare Turkey with israel, cos israel are the scariest soldiers, scariest people in all the world, israel has proven nothing, only what they can do is to kill innocient ppl with much AIR bombs in an area witch none country in the world would do (except America).
Most of you dont know much why this issue has begun, is has nothing to do with Hamas, israel has planned this operation months ago when there was still cease-fire, Hamas was elected by Palestinians people legally so you cant call it terrorists, since 2005 Hamas stopped with suicide bombs in israel, It wasn't even launching rockets into israel but what israel did? they promised to lift the blockades but they didnt, Hamas was building schools, hospitals, they gave food/ water to the Palestinians, how terrorist organisation is that ha??

On November 4, 2008 the ceasefire began to break down after Israeli forces killed a Hamas gunmen in a raid inside the Gaza Strip, also 5 Palestinians citizens were killed, Hamas asked israel to lift the blockades once again, but israel refused, hamas said they could get a second change for the cease-fire if israel would stop their agression and open the borders, israel refused once again, Hamas blamed Israel, it had not respected its terms, including the lifting of the blockade under which little more than humanitarian aid has been allowed into Gaza, after it hamas began with firing rockets again, but it was provocated by israel, this is what israel wanted, it's all filthy politics, just for the election in a few months, they began with this action.

To Xillax there are some truths about what you say, but you follow this from only 1 side, you dont know what is really happening in there, i am watching this on both sides but on israeli news i see most of lies, they censure everything, they dont show much things, watch al jazeera news also to see the really truth about this conflict, also to the jews in israel watch al jazeera also, hamas wants more freedom for the palestinians, no blockades, opening the border then this conflict could end, but israel keep rejecting this so if there is someone to blame then that is israel! to bar etc you are not even worth to talk by claiming hamas killed more then 3000/4000 israelis, your just like your leaders, only lies.
Since 18 december the food supplies stopped from the UN because of the blockades of israel, you know what that means for a region that lives day by day? thanks to the tunnels hamas could get food and water, if there wasn't any tunnels much more innocient people would be dead now because no food, people were looking into trash for food, even some drink their own piss because of no water and nothing?? u knew that jews? i doubt so because ur nice israeli leaders and tv stations would never tell this ofcourse. This is pure GENOCIDE!
I see that jews forget their history, i see that they haven't learned anything about it, now doing it worse to the Palestinians, It's sad really sad, if israel would see the Palestinians as humans, giving them rights that everyone in this world deserves to life, openining the borders for food/water supplies this really could change but unfortunatally israel acts like Palestinians are trash.

watch and see their real faces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefIti-u ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuWOi56 ... re=related
hamas is the voice of the palestinians and its growing and growing, no wonder, what would you do if you get treated like a animal every day??
i am sorry that this was a bit to long, but i get really frustrated of it.

[TDK6]

close this already we all know Israel is all to blame

[SecretSpider]

he Israeli–Palestinian conflict is an ongoing dispute between Israel and the Palestinians.[1] It forms part of the wider Arab–Israeli conflict. Many attempts have been made to broker a two-state solution, which would entail the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. At present, a considerable majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, according to a number of polls, prefer the two-state solution over any other solution as a means of resolving the conflict.[2][3] Most Palestinians view the West Bank and Gaza Strip as constituting the area of their future state, which is a view also accepted by most Israelis.[4] A handful of academics advocate a one-state solution, whereby all of Israel, the Gaza Strip, and West Bank would become a bi-national state with equal rights for all.[5][6] However, there are significant areas of disagreement over the shape of any final agreement and also regarding the level of credibility each side sees in the other in upholding basic commitments.[7]

There are various large and international actors involved in the conflict. The direct negotiating parties are the Israeli government, currently led by Ehud Olmert, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), currently headed by Mahmoud Abbas. The official negotiations are mediated by an international contingent known as the Quartet on the Middle East (the Quartet) represented by a special envoy that consists of the United States, Russia, the European Union, and the United Nations. The Arab League is another important actor, which has proposed an alternative peace plan. Egypt, a founding member of the Arab League, has historically been a key participant.

Since 2003, the Palestinian side has been fractured by conflict between the two major factions: Fatah, the largest party, and Hamas. As a result, the territory controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (the Palestinian interim government) is split between Fatah in the West Bank, and Hamas in the Gaza strip. This has proved problematic as Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and many other countries[8] which means that despite the fact it won the Palestinian elections of 2006, it has not been allowed to participate in official negotiations.

The most recent round of peace negotiations began at Annapolis, Maryland, United States, in November 2007. These talks aimed to have a final resolution by the end of 2008.[9] The parties agree there are six core, or 'final status,' issues which need to be resolved:[10] Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security, borders and water. These issues are discussed at length below.

Within Israeli and Palestinian society, the conflict generates a wide variety of views and opinions (see also Israeli and Palestinian views of the peace process). This serves to highlight the deep divisions which exist not only between Israelis and Palestinians, but also amongst themselves.

A hallmark of the conflict has been the level of violence witnessed for virtually its entire duration. Fighting has been conducted by regular armies, paramilitary groups, and terror cells. Casualties have not been restricted to the military, with a large loss of civilian life on both sides.

[zangiiq]

skitz..
aaaah NVM ur just waist of time..

[zangiiq]

and Murat..if u say israel doesnt show everything i say its false..Arbas TV does not show everything , they show what they want the other ppls to see..they want the world to see how "misrabell" they are and by that they just making them selfs look very weak.
anyway , im not saying that we should blame ONLY arabs, but , in this conflict , for the following years..the arabs - hamas/hizballa have done to us[israel]much more suffer and killed alot of israelis ppl [not only jews, even muslims].
and i agree , israel has done few mistakes , by killing innocent ppl , but at this moment we have no other way while most of the Hamas @ Gaza using their own ppl[arabs] as humen sheild .
Maybe israel has "Small" Army , but very strong , we are 1 of the strongest armys in the world even though we have small army.
BUT its not everything , i want PEAVE&LOVE between the world , but u cant just solve it this way , even if u stop fire and fallback from Gaza , u think that it will cause the Hamas to stop sending Rockets etc on us? Not at all , they wont.
we want peace , but it cant happen cuz the Hamas want ALL the Jews dead.

[madturk]

and the jews want all the muslims dead ! u cant deny that

[uMii]

the big plan :

BIG ISRAEL

[zangiiq]

i dont have to deny it..u just hate jews or dont like them idc so u just have sticked to the thinkg that jews want all muslims dead or something..
its not true, we do NOT want innocent muslims/arabs/palestine dead..we want peace , but Hamas keep attacking us so we fight back..its about time after all those years.

[TDK6]

1-If Hamas is so good then why in the past decade have they always broken all peace treaties and attacked Israel?

2-Since Hamsa was "voted" into power, they had no interest in peace as depicted by their charter. If the Palestinians did not agree with Hamas wouldn't they have elcted some other group. Have you ever tried to rationalize evil? Can you explain to me why all of Germany (save a handful of good men) followed Hitler?