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[Slizer]

I've used the "Clean" scoreboard for a long while now, but everyone's talking about dd in scrims, and says that ratio doesn't mean anything...

That's why I wanted to start using the "Full" scoreboard in order to see the dd in the end when I take screenshot and post it on my clan site for members to see who was the real mvp. So my ratio is 20/4 or something, but then maybe my dd ain't that high due to "stolen kills". Nowadays it seems like dd is more important than ratio and people whining that they've done more damage, but they can't get any kills lols. Ah well

Anyway, about the accuracy, doesn't it lower itself if you "waste" ammo by not hitting/missing the enemy?

Edited by Slizer, 28 December 2009 - 01:50 PM.

[BariS]

I totally backup Slizer. This what Slizers has explained, was why I whined to get DD on the scoreboard. And if we are going to talk about accy, here is my argument:

I think accy on scoreboard isn't important, however I'm not saying it should be removed or however, that is your choice. In my eyes full are full.
The accy that you see on scoreboard is the accy of all your weapons which is totally bullshit.

1. People don't care about this accy, since ak owners always have a lower accy than shotgun camping ****s

2. A firster like me, is forced to preshoot in this game where the majority is 3rd, because we cannot see them, so we have to guess and provoke a 3rder to come out. This lowers our accy, but this is your own choice. If you want to be seen as the most accurate person, you could not preshoot and only shoot when you see a enemy, but I tell you, you'll have a negative ratio. This would have been different maybe if every1 was 1st.

3. This is sort of double but I want you to realize this. When you play shotgun only, you always hit like half of the 8 bullets that pop out of a shotgun. And with shotgun you don't realy need 2 preshoot alot, at least not as much as ak. And then the ak accy is counted on this, which pretty nice if you can get an accy of 10+, while if you get a nice shotgun accy it's 20+
And then I haven't talked about the useless knives or stabs or bludgeones. Which also lower your total accy.

And when I do check accy, I check it in /stats and check my ak normally, or maybe knives to see if I hit some1.

Let me give a last fact. In the past when tim2win used to play, he'd always have one medal normally, and this would be accy. The reason was that he used to camp with shotgun in lower, and try to sneak up a flag. And even if some people would've played like an animal with ak and managed to get an ak accy of 15 or so (which is amazing, in a 60 mins during war), then it wouldn't even show up.

In contrary, the kills do not always indicate your dmg done. I've had a war where I had 3 kills only, but the scoreboard was showing 13 at the dmg section (it was the highest of the team). And this just didn't happen once, but it's bullshit to sum all of my kills/dmg in the form.

[dvz]

what an ak owner :S

[Slizer]

I would like to see the whole damage done... and like baris says about the accuracy, it's pointless when the accy is lowered for pre-shooting and stuff...

[BariS]

Well, I don't realy care about the whole damage, but maybe you could design something where you can choose what you want to be shown in your scoreboard? Something like you can choose max 4, and you choose them yourself. Or you choose for only 2 and you pick only 2 items?

I don't find this realy nessecary, but if more people think like Slizer than this is an idea.

[Slizer]

Well, yeah to choose exactly what you want to show is also an option. I like that too, but dunno if max wants that. We'll see.

[Luigiz]

I like that there's accuracy on the scoreboard. When I play it's the thing I like to watch and it's a good thing to see how bad my aim is hahha

[max]

I would like to see the whole damage done... and like baris says about the accuracy, it's pointless when the accy is lowered for pre-shooting and stuff...

Well, I don't realy care about the whole damage, but maybe you could design something where you can choose what you want to be shown in your scoreboard? Something like you can choose max 4, and you choose them yourself. Or you choose for only 2 and you pick only 2 items?

I don't find this realy nessecary, but if more people think like Slizer than this is an idea.

Well, yeah to choose exactly what you want to show is also an option. I like that too, but dunno if max wants that. We'll see.

The three of us all agree on that the accuracy is useless to show. However, there are other players who still want it on their scoreboard, which is why I kept it there (such as Luigiz).

The full damage done doesn't really matter in my opinion, it is now rounded on hundreds. I can however show the full damage, because the full damage is sent by the server and not the rounded damage (it is rounded by the client).

I suggest that you two discuss on what to show in the scoreboard: I can then add another option for the scoreboard (e.g. full/clean/inf). Because making every single option in the scoreboard optional would make things too complicated. What we could show:

- Mandatory: name, id, ping, time, view, location, dmg, ratio, gametype items, dead/alive
- Omit accy and hs
- Omit the total score and weapon?
- What to show on which line? (first and second line)

I like that there's accuracy on the scoreboard. When I play it's the thing I like to watch and it's a good thing to see how bad my aim is hahha

There!

Edited by max, 29 December 2009 - 02:31 PM.

[Luigiz]

For me it's fine the way it is now.
You can choose if you want the clean one with less stuff or then the full one with everything needed.

[Slizer]

Full 1 = with accy, dmg and hs
Full 2 = without accy, but whole dmg and hs

?

Edited by Slizer, 29 December 2009 - 07:08 PM.

[max]

Full 1 = with accy, dmg and hs
Full 2 = without accy, but whole dmg and hs

?

What do you think Baris?

[Luigiz]

So this Full 1 is exactly the same as it's now?
If so , then this is good one : )

[MeraX]

who cares about how many headshots u made ;s

[Luigiz]

Some people do.

[max]

who cares about how many headshots u made ;s

Some people do.

And who cares about accy? Some people do. And damage? Others do. Personally I find them useless which is why I introduced the "clean" scoreboard.

[Luigiz]

True max. It's good to think 'bout what others prefer too : )

[Slizer]

Who cares about how many kills you've made? Who cares about how many times you've died? Who cares about SoF2? Who cares about your opinion Merax?

[max]

Let's keep the scoreboards as they currently are? It will be an endless discussion.

Who cares about how many kills you've made? Who cares about how many times you've died? Who cares about SoF2? Who cares about your opinion Merax?

Edited by max, 02 January 2010 - 10:21 PM.

[Luigiz]

Let's keep the scoreboards as they currently are? It will be an endless discussion.

Keep it like they are now or then the way Slizer suggested those Full 1 & Full 2? It seemed like a good idea.

[BariS]

Yeah, I also don't see the need to change the scoreboard. But if so, then I'd go for Slizers idea. For me personally the dmg/100 is more than enough and clear.