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[Foxdie]

im just laughin at baris arguments in lumi post i didnt look thru his stuff as deeply as u. so sad trailers an other just purely irrelevant shit

[BariS]

Sorry for not quoting everything everything. But you'll see what statement I am pointing too.

You talk about not showing 3rd in a trailer. I am talking about "have you watch the trailers". This doesn't mean only one trailer. 3rd is in neither one of em. Aren't trailers made to sell the game, where they show the features of a game. 3rd is such a big feature in full, and yeah full was the 1st game before silver & gold or how many versions there are. So when I am saying there is no 3rd in any of the sof2 trailers, I mean to say that it's actually not a default part of the game.
But yeah since the majority accepted it, no-one whines about it. Neither do I.

I know the areas are darker, but does this take away that you can have more advantage like Koffee stated? This might even take more camouflage away.

About vertexlight vs lightmap. Your opinion is: As long as the changes are small enough, you will allow it, and my opinion is: I don't care how small the changes are, a change is a change. But like I said, I won't whine about vertexlight since the majority wants it. But you guys just won't admit that there is actually a change by this command that is not part of the game, it is not a default setting. It should not be here.

Same goes for 3rd, everybody knows it should not be here, but since the majority has accepted it everybody is allowed to use it.

No body uses cg_nopredict & vertexlight at the same time. Nobody uses cg_nopredict at all, because next to it's huge FPS boost, it also gives you a delay. This is the reason that people do want to use vertexlight, since it doesn't really give you a disadvantage.

And about that majority crap. You don't need to tell me that man, I know about it. And like I said in almost every post after many guys whined about this command. I won't whine when it's enabled, since the majority wants it. But you people are defending this command as if it's a default setting of the game. But it's not.

It's nothing different then the lightmap/fullbright/shownormals&developper(wallhacks) commands, since they are all cheat cvars. Look think like this. Rocket said something about changing fastest in settings and then vid restarting (I am not sure if this is true, but it doesn't work this way in full anyway. But apart from that. Imagine all hash commands were disabled. Would you then be able to use this command without setting the server on sv_cheats 1? No, because it's not a default setting. And I am saying it once again, yeah I don't care if it's going to be enabled because the majority wants it. I know now that the majority wants it, so I won't whine about it like I am saying for the 12th (:S?) time. But don't tell me this is a legitimate command, come on.

[Slizer]

Ok, keep talking about it then... This topic is now officially useless.

Edited by Slizer, 08 February 2010 - 02:52 PM.

[luminoKo]

Imagine all hash commands were disabled. Would you then be able to use this command without setting the server on sv_cheats 1? No, because it's not a default setting. And I am saying it once again, yeah I don't care if it's going to be enabled because the majority wants it. I know now that the majority wants it, so I won't whine about it like I am saying for the 12th (:S?) time. But don't tell me this is a legitimate command, come on.

You are right about that, but sometimes cheats can also be interrupting for a normal gameplay.
For example the fog could only be removed with the 'setrandom' command.
This is also not a default command, so that means we could never use this command because ONLY of the fact (what you are saying) it's not a default command.

Another imagination:

If we suddenly discover for example that 'r_nocrashers' would effect sof2 like that, that players can't crash servers anymore, but if we typ that as admin in the console (rcon r_nocrashers "1"), but the console says: This command is cheat protected.
Now we can chose 2 things:

1) We can add this command to Fairplay and we avoid that players like Butcher are crashing servers again.

2) We can listen to you and we all say together; "Ok.. this is a cheat command guys, it can avoid a lot of problems, but it's a cheat so we will not use it."



See where I'm going? People take the easiest way, that's how life and also this community works. I understand your point but I don't think it will really work out..

[hestro.]

Works on demo + full
and gold ?

Edited by hestro., 08 February 2010 - 03:24 PM.

[Foxdie]

ok obviously vertex changes the appearance of the game that goes without saying but any advantage/disadvantage is purely subjective

[dynde]

lol.. even i can't argue like this.

[ALDOZTHEAPACHE]

[t0xic]

You know, I can go against your arguments just by saying. "You know what, everybody uses different monitors and settings, so fuck the fairplay anyway, let's enable fullbright and all the other commands, since there is no equality in this game."

2nd of all I did mention that overbrightbits was also blocked. There was also mentioned that vertexlight was a hash command = a cheat cvar, and not a default setting. Also in full when you put settings to fastest the only thing that changes is that sky becomes black, but oké.. I play full and you play demo and we don't know enough abuot each others games & settings..

But still I think I am right, when I say that it's not a default command, and yes it does change the map (even if it does slightly).
And I can't seem that people are going against me saying that I am wrong. Look I don't want to hear from you '' the change is little'' or w/e.

Ok now ask yourself? And asnwer it. I will also do it for myself as example:

1. Why was fairplay founded? In my opinion, because there was no anti-cheat at all, and in full (because it's possible) people even used skins and edited their maps etc..
2. What does anti-cheat do? It makes sure that you can not use skins/hacks & bots anymore. It also disables the ingame cheat cvars (not default cvars).
3. What are examples ingames cheat cvars? fullbright, vertexlight, lightmap and not to forget showsnormals & developper (built in wallhacks).
4. Why disable all these commands but not vertexlight? Because it's the least harmless? :S bullshit

I can't figure out why it's so hard to admit that it's a cheat cvar and it does change the map a bit.
I've already come to the point that I don't care anymore whter this commands is disabled or enabled since so many people want it. But why don't you guys not admit that it actualy should not be here.

Download full ffs, and type in console: r_vertexlight 1, as you do with fullbright/lightmap/shownormals/developper and who knows more. It will clearly say that this command is cheat protected. And no, not by fairplay but by the game itself.

And still you guys CLAIM that I am wrong here ?? Try to look from a neutral perspective please, I've been trying to look from your side too, and I've already said, it shouldn't be here but if you want it so bad, w/e I won't whine anymore.

But still yo guys disagree and try to say that this command is a normal command, and there is nothing wrong with it?

Man we want fairplay to disable all non-default thigns in this game, but no: vertexlight is a normal thing.

so what if its a cheat cvar? we all like it we want to use it since it doesn't give any advantage to people other than giving more fps on the game. About the roof thing; increasing brightness allows you to see more clearly so what exactly is your point? all commands should be disabled so everyone can play with the same settings? dude really can you fuck off with your stupid fucking argument because I doubt if anyone is even gonna back you up and your philosophy of everyone having the same settings is never gonna come true(unless your dreaming ofc).

Why do you want it disabled when it doesn't give that much advantage as other commands like fullbright and developer do? The only advantage i see when playing with it is having more fps. A significant amount for my 640 480 resolution. so please fuck outta this topic lets thank shifty for making fp and maybe suggest new stuff etc. No, thats not an order to you just a suggestion you can still continue ur bla bla bla since i dont care about it anymore neither should YOU because shifty already said full will not have vertexlight and demo will. I dont findd a good reason for why you are here trying to prove your self right. But guess what happens even if you prove yourself right? None's gonna give a shit

Edited by t0xic, 08 February 2010 - 08:06 PM.

[XILLAX]

overbrightbits isn't blocked

[t0xic]

in demo it isn't but he says its blocked on full because of rpm mod or something

[Luigiz]

huh guys , could you just let it be?
Tired of reading this all bullshit what's here.
And toxic , He has already said why he wants it disabled - And he has said it several times.

[t0xic]

huh guys , could you just let it be?
Tired of reading this all bullshit what's here.
And toxic , He has already said why he wants it disabled - And he has said it several times.

yes i know but its already said by shifty that he is going to disable it on full , since he only plays only full there is no point in trying to prove himself right arguing with people wasting time

[Luigiz]

Well , guess he just wants to defend his opinion and so on. I think he wrote it somewhere , just can't remember now. And can't be arsed to find it out.

[BariS]

Ok t0xic just forget about what is said here, you are getting too aggressive. I don't mean to piss people off.

[Burner]

hu? what do i need to do here? i got sof2full and no mods or anything

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[bing bang blaow]

I wont even bother reading whole topic.

Baris, there's always advantages in using some setting and disadvantages using another.


Full is great example, if you third, you can see over boxes, benches, behind walls(at certain angle) and so on. Though you are missing out on a crosshair.
However firsters get crosshair advantage and theoretically better aim. You might say 3rders might get as good as aim, but you should realize that they have advantage of seeing enemy faster, which contributes to "faster;better" aim.
You as thirder get advantage of pulling off faster shots, firster has advantage of more accurate aim.

vertexlight is good specially to those who have low fps. Especially at demo, because we play with nades and the game plays slower than 1.00, even though the amount of different mods in full bring it down to demo level :S or it's just me thinkin these mods reduce my fps.

I see where you are going with having equal game for everyone, but that's simply not possible. 16bit and 32 bit make the game look different. High graphics VS low graphics - you see sharper with high graphics and stuff don't blend with the backround...telling it from experience - having hard time shooting blue team at roof boxes(or any box for that matter, just because they FUCKING BLEND WITH THE BOX..but meh, that's just maybe me). on the other hand I might get much smoother fps compared to those who want some eyecandy.

Now another thing. FPS indirectly affects your recoil, some jumps etc. Also something that's not equal for everyone. Some people can run with stable 200 and anothers can run with stable 125. or perhaps, not even that. you see, fps 333 was blocked out because of the OBVIOUS advantages(the 333-only jumps), however you can still use 200 and 125 because difference between these two is much much smaller.



Baris: go to full and type r_Vertexlight, what it says?

TRUE!

now go to demo, put settings to fastest(without fairplay) and click "apply"
what happens?

EXACTLY!

from what it seems, vertexlight was directly put into the game(even tho it existed in the engine it's built on already before!!!![tho jst like 3rdp])
and fastest would mean lowest settings but higher fps. why would they let you change vertexlight in the fucking main options if they really wanted you NOT to use it?
unlike thirdperson, which is cheatprotected by default etc..even though it goes against what I just said kinda, because vertexlight says the same thing...



i think fullers whining about vertexlight is the most hypocritical thing to do....
guys, the game was meant to be played in 1st..because it clearly says FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.
"Genre(s) First-person shooter"



look at the minimum requierements for sof2.
Pentium II 450 MHz or equivalent, 128 MB RAM, 16 MB DirectX-compatible video card
if you actually played wwith that setup, you would iactually be FORCED to use vertexlight because else it would be quite impossible to play.
the "fastest" option was created for setups like these...wlel atleast it sounds kinda logical, no?


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[t0xic]

Ok t0xic just forget about what is said here, you are getting too aggressive. I don't mean to piss people off.

I might have been a little mean but I was just trying to say what I felt was right. Normally I dont speak like that, ima nice guy you know . Just expressed my opinions which might have been rude in the way they were for which I might be sorry for might be not. Didnt talk like that to hurt your opinions or anything. I respect everyone's opinions. I don't care if you prove yourself right and I am proved wrong in front of everyone I just didn't want vertexlight to be disabled which is why I kept on arguing with you, and also because as i mentioned earlier i got 640 480 resolution and shitty gfx and some of my sof friends also have lower fps problem. Shifty said vxlight will be disabled on full and enabled on demo. Lets all be happy now .