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[doctorfunk]

Man I don't know if I am supposed to write a book before you guys get what I am trying to say :S.

Look doctorfunk, what I am trying to say is. Even if vertexlight changes less then now, I would have still whined about it. It's not about being out of balance, it's that fact that not everyone is equal. The only that everybody would be equal, is either to disable or force this command.

Let me give you a fucked up example, let's enable godmode so everybody will use it. Nothing is out of balance here too you know, since everybody will use it. And don't take this example too serious, but it might let you finally know what I am trying to say here. Even if vertexlight would have given only disadvantages + FPS, then I would still say people are not equal. That's my point here, it's not about the advantages or disadvantages, but the fact that not everyone is equal.

And I said that I would stop whining about it, and I don't care what shifty does with this command as long as you guys stop coming with lame arguments.

i know what you trying to say but you are wrong :S
things slightly affecting amount of light textures get are not like colored models or lightmap or godmode;>.
You are blowing this thing out of proportion, be happy with what you get for free instead of whining for every
possible detail. And your example is really idiotic, won't bother to explain why.

[BariS]

i know what you trying to say but you are wrong :S
things slightly affecting amount of light textures get are not like colored models or lightmap or godmode;>.
You are blowing this thing out of proportion, be happy with what you get for free instead of whining for every
possible detail. And your example is really idiotic, won't bother to explain why.

I am wrong??
Am I wrong when I say that things change, and as you confirm me that things do slightly change?
Did I not say that I not care about how big or small the changes are, as it it affects the equality?
Did I not say that my example was fucked up?
Why did you not give that fullbright part of my example as example?

And yes I am not ashamed that me, and I can tell you all of us fullers are very happy about the fact that shifty is also making FairPlay for us. But now you want to start a discussion about the fact that because shifty ''belongs to demo" I can't defend my opinions??

Why is it so hard to admit that it does change the map a bit. You even said that it changes it slighty, but this is not much enough to confirm that I am saying that it changes the map.
Man even if it would only add a mouse into the map, in the end it changes.

Edited by BariS, 08 February 2010 - 11:01 AM.

[doctorfunk]

gamma &over brights also change the map, going from 16 to 32bits also changes it. So let's block it all.
let's force 16bit 800x600 gamma1 ;/

and from fullers it seem to bother only you.

[luminoKo]

gamma &over brights also change the map, going from 16 to 32bits also changes it. So let's block it all.
let's force 16bit 800x600 gamma1 ;/

and from fullers it seem to bother only you.

Baris, he is right.. don't you see?
You are a client connected to the server. The map looks for everybody different on each monitor.
If you want to play it fair you should all use the same monitor and settings and play together in a very big LAN-party with referees behind each monitor to see who is cheating and who not.


To make it short; it's equal for everybody, and actually it's now even better because now everybody knows the command instead (like rocket mentioned earlier) of doing a vid_restart with putting first fastest settings on (not everybody knew this method, now more players do).

And it's good you defend your opinion on this way, compliments to you (no sarcasm), most players here will cry anyway and will post crap..

[`hero.]

Personnally we can let it. If you play good already just let it

[BariS]

gamma &over brights also change the map, going from 16 to 32bits also changes it. So let's block it all.
let's force 16bit 800x600 gamma1 ;/

and from fullers it seem to bother only you.

Baris, he is right.. don't you see?
You are a client connected to the server. The map looks for everybody different on each monitor.
If you want to play it fair you should all use the same monitor and settings and play together in a very big LAN-party with referees behind each monitor to see who is cheating and who not.

To make it short; it's equal for everybody, and actually it's now even better because now everybody knows the command instead (like rocket mentioned earlier) of doing a vid_restart with putting first fastest settings on (not everybody knew this method, now more players do).

And it's good you defend your opinion on this way, compliments to you (no sarcasm), most players here will cry anyway and will post crap..

You know, I can go against your arguments just by saying. "You know what, everybody uses different monitors and settings, so fuck the fairplay anyway, let's enable fullbright and all the other commands, since there is no equality in this game."

2nd of all I did mention that overbrightbits was also blocked. There was also mentioned that vertexlight was a hash command = a cheat cvar, and not a default setting. Also in full when you put settings to fastest the only thing that changes is that sky becomes black, but oké.. I play full and you play demo and we don't know enough abuot each others games & settings..

But still I think I am right, when I say that it's not a default command, and yes it does change the map (even if it does slightly).
And I can't seem that people are going against me saying that I am wrong. Look I don't want to hear from you '' the change is little'' or w/e.

Ok now ask yourself? And asnwer it. I will also do it for myself as example:

1. Why was fairplay founded? In my opinion, because there was no anti-cheat at all, and in full (because it's possible) people even used skins and edited their maps etc..
2. What does anti-cheat do? It makes sure that you can not use skins/hacks & bots anymore. It also disables the ingame cheat cvars (not default cvars).
3. What are examples ingames cheat cvars? fullbright, vertexlight, lightmap and not to forget showsnormals & developper (built in wallhacks).
4. Why disable all these commands but not vertexlight? Because it's the least harmless? :S bullshit

I can't figure out why it's so hard to admit that it's a cheat cvar and it does change the map a bit.
I've already come to the point that I don't care anymore whter this commands is disabled or enabled since so many people want it. But why don't you guys not admit that it actualy should not be here.

Download full ffs, and type in console: r_vertexlight 1, as you do with fullbright/lightmap/shownormals/developper and who knows more. It will clearly say that this command is cheat protected. And no, not by fairplay but by the game itself.

And still you guys CLAIM that I am wrong here ?? Try to look from a neutral perspective please, I've been trying to look from your side too, and I've already said, it shouldn't be here but if you want it so bad, w/e I won't whine anymore.

But still yo guys disagree and try to say that this command is a normal command, and there is nothing wrong with it?

Man we want fairplay to disable all non-default thigns in this game, but no: vertexlight is a normal thing.

[luminoKo]

I can't figure out why it's so hard to admit that it's a cheat cvar and it does change the map a bit.

So that means not any cheat command can be accepted? If a community agrees then why not? You can all use the same command.
Besides, in full they got also servers with forced 3rd-person.
I see that a bit as the same as here, everybody can use now vertexlight, if they want or not.
So basicly you can do the same with wallhack. If you like it or not, that's something else.
With vertexlight you talk about FPS-boost and some black areas.
I think it's useful.

In the end it's all about that players can use the same commands.
Commands can make it more fun or not.
That will always stay a discussion.

[Foxdie]

You were just quicker than me ^^.



Go put r_vertexlight 1, and it'll say cheat protected as it says to fullbright & lightmap. Go put hash in front of it, and suddenly it works.

Don't end a story without elaborating your arguments good first please .

Look I said, I won't bitch about it anymore even though I know I am right and I am one of the few who shits on every commands. But don't come with bullshit arguments :F

i like how u say shit like this and u tell others 2 look @ this without bias...

honestly it doesnt provide any advantage other than higher fps... some ppl like the visual change some ppl dont, some ppl like high mouse sens some ppl like low, some ppl like high brightness and i like lower brightness all this shit is just preference so fo with your "dont come with bull shit arguments" shit

[skyloline]

as soon as lumi is back there are huge posts full of nice arguments, good principles, polite dialogues etc. lol

[drnknmnky]

wtf is r_vertexlight 1 ?

[doctorfunk]

3rd is gay and more of a fucking cheat than even lightmap :S
conclusion full is gay

[BariS]

Ah come on... Are you guys actually reading anything of what I said??

To lumi

I said that I won't whine about this command, once you guys also admit that it's not a default command, which shouldn't be put on by default. So goes for 3rd, this shouldn't be part of the game, but since the majority wants it it's accepted. This game was developped and ment to be a 1st person shooter, everybody knows that. When you go 7 years back and you watch the trailers, you won't see any 3rd.

''With vertexlight we talk about "black areas" and FPS-boost." I've quoted Koffee saying that he can see things on roof much more clearly a couple of times already.
And why does vertexlight do get an exception and the other command don't? I mean like I said before lightmap also gives an FPS boost, but the change in map is much greater. The only difference between lightmap & vertexlight, is the smaller change in game.

And if players would care only about the FPS-boost of this code and not about the change in map, then why don't they use cg_nopredict 1. This command boosts your FPS even more greater, but wait, this command also has an disadvantage and we don't want that. Why can't we have a command that has *black areas*, that apparently makes you see things on roof better, and also boosts up your FPS. Instead of a command that boosts your FPS even more but is fucked up to play with.

And the fact that you are saying "In the end it's all about that players can use the same commands." Shifty can you please allow wallhack?? We can use it all together anyway.

To Foxdie:

If you would have read: Apparently to Koffee, which is one of the few honest in here, it does provide an advantage. And this is maybe not so for everyone. But even it's an advantage for only Koffee it's not fair.

To all:

I am repeating this for the *well I don't know how many times I said this*: I gave up the fact that this command should be disabled because so many people want it. But don't come with the fact that there is nothing wrong with this command, and it's the most normal thing.

Oh and I have no problem if someone comes here to argue with me, this is a way how people defend their opinions. But please do read everything that is said in the paste couple of pages, even though it's a long fkn discussion but still .

[Slizer]

Baris shut the fuck up now lol PLEASE , no offense I respect you but FOR GOD SAKE IT'S JUST A COMMAND VERTEXLIGHT.

I didn't read all of this, cause all I see is fucking 10 pages of text and discussion about a fucking command.

But who the fuck caaaaaaaaaaaaares, just let shifty decide enable or disable vertexlight, and THAT'S IT. Why you gotta argue so much about it man...

JESUS HOLY CHRIST.

Edited by Slizer, 08 February 2010 - 01:16 PM.

[BariS]

Please delete your post Sliz. Also no offence, but I put this in fat letters in the end of my last post:

I am repeating this for the *well I don't know how many times I said this*: I gave up the fact that this command should be disabled because so many people want it. But don't come with the fact that there is nothing wrong with this command, and it's the most normal thing.


And hereby I want to say that I don't care this command being enabled or disabled, but I am going crazy that people are telling me that I am wrong, when I say this command actually shouldn't be enabled.

So I say it again, like I said in my last post:

Oh and I have no problem if someone comes here to argue with me, this is a way how people defend their opinions. But please do read everything that is said in the paste couple of pages, even though it's a long fkn discussion but still sad.gif.

[Slizer]

Then talk about something else now.

[Foxdie]

1. u said either ban all or allow all the cmds.... well absolutes never work out there are always exceptions
2. we legitimately think there is nothing wrong with the cmd
3. u say its like a drug an shit ppl want it now... well some ppl have shit comps and cant stand having shit fps and after havin decent fps with this on they dont want 2 go back is that not understandable?
4. if there is even a slight advantage for ppl on roof theres also a disadvantage for them @ conf which balances it out fine and we as a community ACCEPT that
5. its all preference i personally have a harder time aiming with vertex on

if u want every1 2 have exactly the same settings an shit go play console cus u cant expect every1 2 have the same comp specs. for some1 who talks about balance it seems u really want ppl with shit comps 2 b at a complete disadvantage i fail 2 c the balance??

[Slizer]

1. u said either ban all or allow all the cmds.... well absolutes never work out there are always exceptions
2. we legitimately think there is nothing wrong with the cmd
3. u say its like a drug an shit ppl want it now... well some ppl have shit comps and cant stand having shit fps and after havin decent fps with this on they dont want 2 go back is that not understandable?
4. if there is even a slight advantage for ppl on roof theres also a disadvantage for them @ conf which balances it out fine and we as a community ACCEPT that
5. its all preference i personally have a harder time aiming with vertex on

if u want every1 2 have exactly the same settings an shit go play console cus u cant expect every1 2 have the same comp specs. for some1 who talks about balance it seems u really want ppl with shit comps 2 b at a complete disadvantage i fail 2 c the balance??

1 fool after another, why are you continuing arguing about a fucking command? Leave it be now.

[luminoKo]

When you go 7 years back and you watch the trailers, you won't see any 3rd.

This is a bad argument if you ask me lol, a trailer is only a preview of the game, that doesn't mean that only what is included in the trailer actually applies to the full game.

''With vertexlight we talk about "black areas" and FPS-boost." I've quoted Koffee saying that he can see things on roof much more clearly a couple of times already.

That is because of the areas that are now darker.. Try to think more clear about this one.

And why does vertexlight do get an exception and the other command don't? I mean like I said before lightmap also gives an FPS boost, but the change in map is much greater. The only difference between lightmap & vertexlight, is the smaller change in game.

Exactly, since vertexlight is a smaller change compared to lightmap people can live with it..

And if players would care only about the FPS-boost of this code and not about the change in map, then why don't they use cg_nopredict 1. This command boosts your FPS even more greater, but wait, this command also has an disadvantage and we don't want that.

Some players don't reach the desired FPS by only using cg_nopredict 1. So in that case, adding the vertexlight can be enough.

And the fact that you are saying "In the end it's all about that players can use the same commands." Shifty can you please allow wallhack?? We can use it all together anyway.

When we had nearcull still on in one of the oldest versions of FP, some people complained about it which lead to the majority of this community complaining about it. This lead also that it was fixed in the next version of FP.

FP is mostly based on what the majority here wants since it applies so far (recently in full as well, but before that all the time only on MP test) on MP test. So this might sound strange, but if all players like 96% of the community want to have wallhack accepted in FP then shifty is more convinced to accept it. That doesn't mean he will do it, but he will think about it better and the chance he will accept it is higher. This is also with vertexlight and the nearcull and any other commands that is appointed by the community.
This doesn't matter if it's a default or a non-default command.

[ALDOZTHEAPACHE]

Lumi for president