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[bing bang blaow]

i have some more, admittedly stupid questions

patrick said that its up to allah to make some people poor, some people rich. becoming rich or poor is hugely based on ur own actions(lets exclude 3rd world countries etc) so that tells me that allah has direct effect(?) on our actions, if so, why doesn't he just make everyone believers if its the right thing to do?

my question looks so dumb but we are discussing religion and the whole thing looks so inconsistent and dumb for me to take it seriously in the first place so why the fuck not. shoot



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oh yeah of course, the answer is its a test, lifes a test !1!!111 sorry forgot

Edited by bing bang blaow, 19 July 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[maniman]

i have some more, admittely stupid questions

patrick said that its up to allah to make some people poor, some people rich. becoming rich or poor is hugely based on ur own actions(lets exclude 3rd world countries etc) so that tells me that allah has direct effect(?) on our actions, if so, why doesn't he just make everyone believers if its the right thing to do?

my question looks so dumb but we are discussing religion and the whole thing looks so inconsistent and dumb for me to take it seriously in the first place so why the fuck not. shoot



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oh yeah of course, the answer is its a test, lifes a test !1!!111 sorry forgot

Alot of it is indeed stupid I agree, though I love the subject and can give you a more appropiate answer to it.

God has no say of what goes on in Earth he cant be around sin, he's the light himself so he cant mix with darkness. God does not have complete power on Earth, the Devil does. This is described in both bible and koran he has an amount of time to lead as many people astray as he can. I think it's all bullshit but this is the appropiate answer to your question. Currently Earth is the devils playground untill he gets his ass beaten?. This could be why not everyone is a justin belieber.

Well ofc I think its bullshit, but this would be an answer from a christains pov.

Edited by maniman, 19 July 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[bing bang blaow]

Alot of it is indeed stupid I agree, though I love the subject and can give you a more appropiate answer to it.

God has no say of what goes on in Earth he cant be around sin, he's the light himself so he cant mix with darkness. God does not have complete power on Earth, the Devil does. This is described in both bible and koran he has an amount of time to lead as many people astray as he can. I think it's all bullshit but this is the appropiate answer to your question. Currently Earth is the devils playground untill he gets his ass beaten?. This could be why not everyone is a justin belieber.

Well ofc I think its bullshit, but this would be an answer from a christains pov.

While I believe religions have good intentions, I think they are poorly executed.


im quite uneducated on religion so ill just keep going on:
do non-believers go to 'hell' just because they do not believe? who is/what happens to person that has never ever sinned in his life but at the same time does not follow certain religion, hypothetically speaking. no need to tell me that such person does not exist.

Edited by bing bang blaow, 19 July 2013 - 10:01 AM.

[maniman]

While I believe religions have good intentions, I think they are poorly executed.


im quite uneducated on religion so ill just keep going on:
do non-believers go to 'hell' just because they do not believe? who is/what happens to person that has never ever sinned in his life but at the same time does not follow certain religion, hypothetically speaking. no need to tell me that such person does not exist.

That's a controversial subject in every religion. Though I dont believe every believer goes to heaven and every non believer goes to hell. Alot of religious people are one of the biggest hypocrits and twisted fucks that roam our planet, lol. Making the same mistakes over and over again and just using religion as an excuse or cover-up. Alot of non-believers are one the most caring and loving people to. So it doesnt make sense to have non believers go to hell for not following a certain religion - this makes sense in Islam though. LOL, hypocrits.

Originally religion didnt even excist, it were just prophets bringing the word of God; religion was foundated by man not God.

According to the bible most religious people will go to hell anyway, they dont get or dont want to get the message of just being a good person by heart. It is a narrow and small path to the light, of hardships and struggles, to have your faith build upon rock instead of sand. So most will simply not make it. Islam is the biggest religion currently, so according to the bible, most muslims will go to hell.

I just want to make a few statemets before I leave again;

They say the bible is corrupted - yet some of the original scriptures still exist - some of the stories in the bible you can still visit the ruins of the written stories in Israel. Like temples, cities and such - really intreresting. The old testament isnt even editted at all - so shut that crap to prop the bible. Lies and deceit to make people believe in Islam is a muslims best tactic.

The araabs originally worshipped idols - written in the bible the araabs were jealous and scared of Israels God. Defeating whole armies with just a few man. - I think this is why the Araabs copied so much of the hebrews. They just smashed all their Gods and called one statue 'the one'. A moon goddess.

I said this before but; isnt the condition you live a reflection of what you believe? Take a look where Islam rules and take a look where Christianity ruled/rules.

The Devil is mentioned 90 times in the koran. A subject muslims really love to talk about - this is tabboo in other religions.
It is like they are inspired by it.

Mecca is not mentioned in the bible. Again a true copy of Jerusalem.

Patrick said Christians convert to Islam and such. This is not exactly true and you should study what you preach. Most of this is propaganda. In fact, alot of muslims convert to Christianity or Atheism a hundreds times more as to christians converting to Islam. - Please patrick dont make me laugh. You probably know a shit load of people who converted to Christianity or simply gave up faith.

According to kuran all black people are destined to go to hell. Eventhough they are muslim. In their eyes black people are inferiour and eventhough muslim - infidel.

TLTR

Edited by maniman, 19 July 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[TRUE]

Just like shaolin monks - my body iz my temple

[drnknmnky]

i need a clan thx

[drnknmnky]

I know the media decide how we think, but partly it is also our own fault not to do any research further. We think by this way, just like the media controllers want us to think. And the only people who we can blame for this, are ourself. The Islam like the big media centers are exposing is not the peacefull Islam we know and believe in. It is a misconception, and i will tell you why.

In the Islam, we are forced to respect other religions and people . I found on the internet a story with evidence from the Qu-ran, which i would like you to read and then re-check your conclusion.

Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, believes in prophets and messengers of God- One inter­esting way of understanding the Islamic view on freedom of religion is to look at the role of the prophets and messengers.

Had they been sent to forcefully bring the people into their teachings? Were Moses, Jesus and Muhammad ordered by the Almighty to impose their teachings upon the people by sword? Absolutely not! Look at the Qur'an, the holy scripture of Islam; the revealed words of God where He clearly outlines the duty of his mes­sengers by saying:

“(And as for My messenger,) there is no (obligation) on him except to deliver (the. message). God knows what yon expose and what conceal”. (5:99).

Once the people of Mecca said to Prophet Muhammad that if god did not want them to worship idols then why He does not forcefully prevent them from doing so. Then God sent the following message:

“(O Muhammad) This is not a new excuse; those who weft before, them made, the same excuses. Is there anything upon the messengers except the dear conveying of the message”. (16: 35).

So we see that from the Qur'anic point of view, the mission of the prophets and messengers of God was not to forcefully impose their teachings on the people but to guide them and ask them to accept God with their own will, in one revelation, God says to Prophet Muhammad:

"But if the people turn away (then do not be sad because) We did ma sent you to be a guardian over them. It is for you only to deliver the mes­sage." (42:43).

The Qur’an clearly says that reli­gion cannot be forced on anyone. It says,

"There is no compulsion in (accept­ing) the religion (of Islam)…”

Why? Because:

"truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error. " (2:256).

The Islam is not what the muslims do. The Islam is what the muslims should do. People do sin. That is why we are being tested. You can blame me, my follow believers but you can not blame my religion

And surely, Allah knows the best. Peace be upon you. You do not need to discuss with me Highnezz, just because there is nothing to discuss about. Whether you believe or not, its up to you. I just try to give you guys more accurate information about the Islam. Really can not see the point why you guys are attacking me as person. Didnt i tell, the Islam does not know any commitment from point of believe?

I already told about:
The importance of hygiene in the Islam - >The woedoe (the 5 times a day washing before praying)
The way to behave against parents -> Be kind and never come against their word, even if they get old.
The way to behave against other religions and people -> Respect their religion and give them all the space to believe their religion
The 5 pilars of the Islam

One of the 5 pilars of the Islam is like i said the Zakat.

Zakat is the compulsory giving of a set proportion of one's wealth to charity. It is regarded as a type of worship and of self-purification. Zakat is the third Pillar of Islam.

Zakat does not refer to charitable gifts given out of kindness or generosity, but to the systematic giving of 2.5% of one's wealth each year to benefit the poor.

The benefits of Zakat, apart from helping the poor, are as follows:

-Obeying God
-Helping a person acknowledge that everything comes from God on loan and that we do not really own anything ourselves
And since we cannot take anything with us when we die we need not cling to it
-Acknowledging that whether we are rich or poor is God's choice
So we should help those he has chosen to make poor
-Learning self-discipline
-Freeing oneself from the love of possessions and greed
-Freeing oneself from the love of money
-Freeing oneself from love of oneself
-Behaving honestly

The 2.5% rate only applies to cash, gold and silver, and commercial items. There are other rates for farm and mining produce, and for animals.

So from the interpretation of the story above we can say that Zakat is given to the poor on regularly basis. This, so the rich stay in connection with the poor people and help the poor people. We believe this life is a test. The rich are tested, even as the poor. The wealth of this world is only wealth for you till you die. When you die, you bring your good and bad deeds and 5 meter of winding sheet in the hereafter. Hope, i did answer your question.

peace be upon you. Since, you insist in getting an answer.

The only time you can refuse a command from your parents and disobey them is when they ask you to sin.
If something is haram, which means its forbidden in the Islam, you are allowed to disobey your parents. Let me insist, this is the only time you are allowed to disobey your parents. It is more important, to please Allah then to please your parents.

In the Qu-ran it says:

'If one of them or both of them to attain old age with thee, say not ‘Fie’ unto them nor repulse them, but speak unto them a gracious word.'

And surely, Allah knows best. Peace be upon you.

[Ive]

Whats Jihad then?? Who invented it and for what?

[drnknmnky]

i dno man.

[drnknmnky]

did u rly read all that ?
looool

[Ive]

I co exo cioto na fullu jestes??

[bing bang blaow]

ibo you're a muslim? i thought muslims had always be in the "right state of mind"

[bucket]

patrick why are you talking about the islam on this forum?

[-AGGA-]

Calls themselves muslim - yet, drinks, fucks skanks, lies, plays a violent shooting videogame and what not.

Sounds familiar?

[drnknmnky]

i was bored and i just copied and pasted those things patrick said

[a-k]

it's weird how people consider a muslim killing 40 people a "terrorist", but an american killing 40 people as a "psycopath".
That's the George Bush thinking and most of the bullshit about muslims come from his period as a president.

just stoooooooop nobody gives a fuck about your stupid religion

This is disrespectful.

Edited by a-k, 21 July 2013 - 01:32 PM.

[bing bang blaow]

it's weird how people consider a muslim killing 40 people a "terrorist", but an american killing 40 people as a "psycopath".
That's the George Bush thinking and most of the bullshit about muslims come from his period as a president.



This is disrespectful.

yeah it damn is disrespectful, just like religious people are towards non believers. see my post on previous page you hypocrit.

[BladHark]

it's weird how people consider a muslim killing 40 people a "terrorist", but an american killing 40 people as a "psycopath".
That's the George Bush thinking and most of the bullshit about muslims come from his period as a president.

?

you're so wrong

[patrick]

There is a confussion/misconcenption a lot of people do make.

The Islam is not what muslims do. The Islam is what muslims should do. Therefor, if you have any comments related to actions of a single person, go ahead.
If you study the Islam, you will conclude that the Islam is the religion of peace. If you do not wanna put your time in studying the Islam, then please do not have such a widespread opinion about the Islam. From ethical and logical point of view, having an widespread opinion about things you do not know enough is not correct.

For the people, who confuse the Islam with the actions of individuals. Once more... The Islam is how muslims should live, not how they do live.

Thank you in advance. Peace be upon you all.

Edited by patrick, 21 July 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[heldro]

Islam is the religion of peace.

gg nt then.