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[asrael]

I don't neccesarily believe that Hitler had such a huge grugde towards the jews. To me, the jews were just a scapegoat. A scapegoat needed for Hitler to have a proper reason to justify his war.
That's basically what i believe Al Qaeda is as well

Ah, should've quoted you : D

Edited by asrael, 03 January 2011 - 11:09 PM.

[Mario]

Skyline is a closet racist..

[doctorfunk]

yea except we all know that the crusades DID happen and it isn't a stretch to imagine christians forcing their beliefs on people and thinkin they're superior. LOL

saying religion was the reason behind crusades, is same as saying that USA went to Iraq to free it from Saddam Hussein reign of terror.
pretty naive

religion is the cause for lots of violence, arrogance regarding race while when you stop and think it's pathetic.

I never heard of any religion preaching that, anyway Soviets already shown that problems of violence and evil lay
somewhere else than in being religious. Plus it seems to be pretty logical to me to assume that's not really related to
whether you believe or not.

You're close-minded. You're saying everyone who beliefs in a god is weak, wrong and misguided. You're not giving it any chance.

this + it's not like all believers can be put together to one bag, I think it would be hard to find 2 people believing this same thing, the same way

[skyloline]

Proper discussion doesn't include not cursing, it includes makin ur point, if i would be here like fuck you all, god doesn't exists then i wouldn't be properly discussing.

You said you would like to go back to the discussion part not "this is my opinion and you can't change it" part. discussion -> expressing you're opinion. Most likely people won't change their minds. so you make only a lil sense with that point.

"science can't never provide 100% evidence?" well if something is scientifically proved, then it can, how logical is that?. or if it can't be 100% proven science is the closest thing to the truth/fact. You're saying that science cannot provide us with every answer, by that you mean religion can? how dumb is that? sorry if you didn't say that, but it seemed like.
Yes, i agree also that without religion there would be a little less violence, but there still would be. I don't think religion is fully bad. I also see the good sides of it, think of all those charity events, donations n stuff like that. I'm not against religion, believeing in something thats existence is not proven is just stupid imo.

"Now tell me, if one of your friends came up to you and told you that God is the only reason he did not commit suicide yet, even though he has his family and close friends around him. Would you call him weak ?"

I would think of him as a stupid misguided person. People should care about each other, or at least they should believe in something that does live. that would make sense.


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someone earlier said "think outside the box"
then in next sentence he announces the religious people are weak retards who believe in unnatural being.. facepalm.gif"

i take it as in aview of christian. i mean, a lot of christans today (i mean, kids n stuff) most of them don't even know what it's all about, those people should be more enlightened. They give up on life, to live an easier way, they are sceptic towards modern lifestyles and technology.

Edited by skyloline, 03 January 2011 - 11:29 PM.

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in a nutshell..people who believe in something not proven 100% are stupid? in ur opinion?




if you say yes, then i have retarded question incoming. be prepared.

[asrael]

Proper discussion doesn't include not cursing, it includes makin ur point, if i would be here like fuck you all, god doesn't exists then i wouldn't be properly discussing.

You said you would like to go back to the discussion part not "this is my opinion and you can't change it" part. discussion -> expressing you're opinion. Most likely people won't change their minds. so you make only a lil sense with that point.

No, that's a debate.
A Discussion is mostly based on compromising.

"science can't never provide 100% evidence?" well if something is scientifically proved, then it can, how logical is that?. or if it can't be 100% proven science is the closest thing to the truth/fact. You're saying that science cannot provide us with every answer, by that you mean religion can? how dumb is that? sorry if you didn't say that, but it seemed like.

Do you know how something gets 'proven'. People write an article, it gets reviewed and accepted. Assuming more people find the same thing, a theory will be accepted as 'truth'. This will remain the truth until someone else finds other results. This goes on and on and on. And the most important thing is: Every answer raises just as many questions.
And i never said religion can.

Yes, i agree also that without religion there would be a little less violence, but there still would be. I don't think religion is fully bad. I also see the good sides of it, think of all those charity events, donations n stuff like that. I'm not against religion, believeing in something thats existence is not proven is just stupid imo.

I'm sorry. If this would be the truth there would be no new theories ever. Because when something is theory, it hasn't been proven. If it hasn't been proven, according to you, it's stupid to believe in it's existence. Noone will believe it, will never get proven.

"Now tell me, if one of your friends came up to you and told you that God is the only reason he did not commit suicide yet, even though he has his family and close friends around him. Would you call him weak ?"

I would think of him as a stupid misguided person. People should care about each other, or at least they should believe in something that does live. that would make sense.


"
someone earlier said "think outside the box"
then in next sentence he announces the religious people are weak retards who believe in unnatural being.. facepalm.gif"

i take it as in aview of christian. i mean, a lot of christans today (i mean, kids n stuff) most of them don't even know what it's all about, those people should be more enlightened. They give up on life, to live an easier way, they are sceptic towards modern lifestyles and technology.

Are you kidding me? You're telling me 'a lot of christians today' have this exact view? How on earth would you know ?

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I would think of him as a stupid misguided person. People should care about each other, or at least they should believe in something that does live. that would make sense.

(not related to my other post)
even if it was ur own mother? father? someone you know for ur wwhole lifetime..someone who taught u everything u know?




PS

[still not related to my previous post ]
hypocricy at best:

sky, 20349239 posts ago you brought up the cool story how (let me paraphrase:) "jesus made some magic tricks jajdadada his followers told rest of the people that story jajdaddadaad but theres no proof"
you believe in science, yes? i believe you do. well...how can you believe what science provides you? i am 110% sure that you haven't seen whatever science proved with ur own eyes. no way. sir.

you believe whatever scientists throw at you. christians believe whatever the bible tells them. difference?

Edited by rocket, 03 January 2011 - 11:39 PM.

[skyloline]

if it would be someone who i know/care about, i would tell him it's stupid and share my opinions about it, what should be the purpose in your life, find a love, get a job, have kids, etc.

in a nutshell..people who believe in something not proven 100% are stupid? in ur opinion?




if you say yes, then i have retarded question incoming. be prepared.

"I'm sorry. If this would be the truth there would be no new theories ever. Because when something is theory, it hasn't been proven. If it hasn't been proven, according to you, it's stupid to believe in it's existence. Noone will believe it, will never get proven."

I kinda agree on that.. but doesn't some good theories get proven(i mean, if there's a chance ofc) and others usually then will be count as a wrong answers.

nope, i didn't meant it that way, they woulda been stupid if they thought religion does answer.

Edited by skyloline, 03 January 2011 - 11:47 PM.

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read my edit.
also answer to my previous question please.

[asrael]

Not all of them. Theres theories that we cannot yet prove, you know

[skyloline]

you believe whatever scientists throw at you. christians believe whatever the bible tells them. difference?

Choosing the rational way!?!?! (you know there are some differnce between who makes the rules, educated persons versus guys who had visions). rofl. and no I don't believe whatever scientists throw at me. (but yea i place my bets on science more than a bible)

Edited by skyloline, 03 January 2011 - 11:46 PM.

[asrael]

So how do you choose what to believe? What makes you question certain scientific discoveries and accept others?

You immediatly generalise. Not everyone who is religious is uneducated, nor every educated person knows what's best for anyone and what the rules should be.

And the 'rules', called commandments, are things you might live by aswell. Do you think they're bad ?

[skyloline]

i'll edit this tomorrow, i'm off to bed now

Edited by skyloline, 03 January 2011 - 11:48 PM.

[asrael]

Now tell me, how do you choose what to believe than. I'd love to know how you are so different from those 'religious people that believe everything they're told'.

Oh and btw, they don't. Don't generalize..

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so all the believers saw visions..collectively...must of been hell of a substance !
educated persons? who? let me assume, you say educated people are the ones who went to schools, studied alot, blahblahblah.
what if i told you that religious people are actually educated?...educated is probably not the right word here, but fk it. who is wrong? me or you? why? prove it, otherwise i wont believe because i havent seen it..ok that sounds retarded, haha.
[ignore last sentence ]

Choosing the rational way!?!?! (you know there are some differnce between who makes the rules, educated persons versus guys who had visions). rofl. and no I don't believe whatever scientists throw at me. (but yea i place my bets on science more than a bible)

o,o?

may i ask what do you believe in then? if it isnt science or religion. what then? only your own eye? did u witness ur birth ? ARGGGGGGGH



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inb4 "yes, but i cant remember it, cause i was too young, ldo!"
replace "your" with "your mom"

Edited by rocket, 03 January 2011 - 11:57 PM.

[skyloline]

so all the believers saw visions..collectively...must of been hell of a substance !
educated persons? who? let me assume, you say educated people are the ones who went to schools, studied alot, blahblahblah.
what if i told you that religious people are actually educated?...educated is probably not the right word here, but fk it. who is wrong? me or you? why? prove it, otherwise i wont believe because i havent seen it..ok that sounds retarded, haha.



may i ask what do you believe in then? if it isnt science or religion. what then? only your own eye? did u see ur birth? ARGGGGGGGH

i was about to alt f4 but this made me hit the quick reply lol.

i didn't say all, we're still talkin bout god -> christianity, prophets
you both didn't get me, hmm, i don't know how to express myself also. i'll try. well. of course they could be educated, but not as much as ordinary people (becaus they most follow their guidebooks, which can't allow em everything) anyway, my point more of a was that would you believe a scientist or a new prophet with a vision who starts jadadada bout new lifestyle or some fact that is proven different by scientist in labs etc? ofc scientist, cuz it seems more rational. think of it as a something that happens now, who would you think of as a normal person and who of as a drug addict nowadays.

i already said, i believe in science and facts more than religion, tho i haven't nothing against religions, fuck it, let em be. lol. it's not like im fighting against religions. it's just the way i see it.

[ok good wen to cig pause and no new posts, finally closing it for today. lol]

Edited by skyloline, 04 January 2011 - 12:07 AM.

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you believe in theories. dont even try to say you dont, that's ignorant, everyone have some theories they believe in. or atleast they think one theory is more probable than other.
JC, god, etc are also theories.

what makes ur theory you believe in the right one? why are the ones choosin to believe in another theory more stupid, or let me quote you, 'weak' ?

science provides us with answers. so does religion.

Edited by rocket, 04 January 2011 - 12:03 AM.

[asrael]

i was about to alt f4 but this made me hit the quick reply lol.

i didn't say all, we're still talkin bout god -> christianity, prophets
you both didn't get me, hmm, i don't know how to express myself also. i'll try. well. of course they could be educated, but not as much as ordinary people (becaus they most follow their guidebooks, which can't allow em everything) anyway, my point more of a was that would you believe a scientist or a new prophet with a vision who starts jadadada bout new lifestyle or some fact that is proven different by scientist in labs etc? ofc scientist, cuz it seems more rational. think of it as a something that happens now, who would you think of as a normal person and who of as a drug addict nowadays.

i already said, i believe in science and facts more than religion, tho i haven't nothing against religions, fuck it, let em be. lol. it's not like im fighting against religions. it's just the way i see it.

Generalizing again.

I ask you, why do you think believing in science over religion is more rational. Because you think for yourself? You clearly don't seem to.

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[katana.]

@skyline (or anybody else questioning religion)

Did you read the koran/bible/etc to act the way you do? cuz to me it seems like you know alot about religion seeing how you critize it (NAATTT)
Seems kind of stupid not believing in something when you probably dont kow anything about it really...
Except by ''OH I CANT SENSE IT IN ANYWAY SO IT ISNT REAL'' like i said earlier love cant be proven in any way either, does that mean you dont believe in love? but if u need some proof tho, type in youtube: near death experience, or i met god, or something like that lol, and u will hear amazing stories : ) and no theyre not fruitcakes, just normal people like you and me