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[asrael]

So because I can't proof to you that i love my mom, love is unprovable.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Nor that noone might know, at this moment, what love is exactly and that i can not be proven yet, doesn't mean that it can not be proven at all.
I would LOVE to know what you base your opinion on wether or not you can proof that love exists on. Enlighten me

To me, that's just believing what you want to believe.

Thanks charles. He's my favourite philosopher you know : >

That one. Bye

[bing bang blaow]

katana, there can be like 2934902 possibilies as why they saw the things they are describing..woah they couldve even been in simple sleep paralyzis and confused whatever they saw with 'god'.... mind is a powerful thing

[Junior]

http://en.wikipedia...._basis_for_love

i know its just wikipedia, but there are alot of studies that prove love lol

[asrael]

http://en.wikipedia...._basis_for_love

i know its just wikipedia, but there are alot of studies that prove love lol

Prove ? If you happen to have any, i'd love to read one. Not that i'm saying that you're 100% wrong, i just belief most of the things they claim are based on correlational studies, not experimental. Would be pretty hard to prove love based on animal behaviour, since what do we define love as? Mating, Partner bonding, nest building ? I wouldn't know.

Imo, there is no love outside of the human race. Theres survival, and the things written in that wiki article about the relations between the chemicals and 'love', based on animal research ( which i have seen for some of those chemicals, like oxytocin and vasopressin ) are merely 'survival' tactics.

Oh yeah and 'norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine' are basically the most important neurotransmitters, with Acetylcholine. They play a role in almost anything

EDIT: OK BYE NOW HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

Edited by asrael, 04 January 2011 - 12:57 AM.

[doctorfunk]

prove? more like suggest theories that are not very strong

[Junior]

Prove ? If you happen to have any, i'd love to read one. Not that i'm saying that you're 100% wrong, i just belief most of the things they claim are based on correlational studies, not experimental. Would be pretty hard to prove love based on animal behaviour, since what do we define love as? Mating, Partner bonding, nest building ? I wouldn't know.

Imo, there is no love outside of the human race. Theres survival, and the things written in that wiki article about the relations between the chemicals and 'love', based on animal research ( which i have seen for some of those chemicals, like oxytocine and vasopressine ) are merely 'survival' tactics

well i picked out that wikipedia cus well it was the easiest to quickly browse through atm since i rly have to sleep now. have to study early tomorrow.
so pz maybe ill coem back to this tomorrow

[katana.]

I would LOVE to know what you base your opinion on wether or not you can proof that love exists on. Enlighten me

Already answered that indirectly with this, but most of you are just hopping from one thing to another ;s

''Ok ill ask you this, do you love your mom? you would reply: yes.
Then ill ask, proof it.''

I cant think of anything that could prove it. can you?
Except for the fact we as individuals have the ''feeling'' we describe as love, but that still isnt proof
And btw i do believe in it <3

katana, there can be like 2934902 possibilies as why they saw the things they are describing..woah they couldve even been in simple sleep paralyzis and confused whatever they saw with 'god'.... mind is a powerful thing
I doubt there are 2934902 'possibilies' but i didnt check, so your right, that is a 'posibilie' but theres also a posibilie that the story's are true, simply said..you just have to trust in the judgement of the people that had these experiences like i said before, ofc there are also shitloads of story's where it wasnt a near death exp or w.e, but its not proof no i know that, but if theyre normal people and they are genuinly true about it, why doubt them? thats how i see it atleast.. anyway rq this topic bye

[malydok]

tl;dr
Go read some books, watch some documentary movies, talk to priests, atheists, buddhists, jews. Gather all that information, digest it, find YOUR answer and keep it for yourself.

[scatman]

saying religion was the reason behind crusades, is same as saying that USA went to Iraq to free it from Saddam Hussein reign of terror.
pretty naive



I never heard of any religion preaching that, anyway Soviets already shown that problems of violence and evil lay
somewhere else than in being religious. Plus it seems to be pretty logical to me to assume that's not really related to
whether you believe or not.



this + it's not like all believers can be put together to one bag, I think it would be hard to find 2 people believing this same thing, the same way

i wasnt gonna post any more in this topic but you made me wojtek lol. religion WAS behind the crusades you moron, it was about fighting for the holy land and the pope back then was like a king. and why bring the usa into this? we all know the usa is retarded and so is its government so why bring that up when we're talkin about religion? smh...

"i have never heard of any religion preaching that?" stupid shit from you doc man you're better than that. of course they dont fuckin outright SAY it, we are superior or we are racist. christians have a HISTORY of looking down upon people since christianity was first the proprietary religion of white people, example would be the spaniards that went to the new wolrd and told the natives they were dumb and inferior to christian whites. YEA THATS NOT RACIST AHAHAHA
ALSO look at the indian caste system which was born out of their religion, arrogance over immigrants and workers and poorer class. that sort of shit is by product of religion.
ALSO look at muslims and jews, they have fought over this land for years, they hate each other (yes some do get along and can co-exist) but for how long was it "i hate you, we are better than you faggots".. for how long?? how many died??

im not saying you dont need religion for hate and arrogance (example nazis) but it certainly doesnt help lol

i have lived with both religious influence and non religious influence and at least i present arguments. niels im not close minded, this is my OPINION and because i have lived and experienced highly religious and non-religious experiences in the extreme and daily cases, i am allowed to form my opinion. i bet half the people here arguing with me dont have half the experience that i do regarding this subject.

[priest]

i wasnt gonna post any more in this topic but you made me wojtek lol. religion WAS behind the crusades you moron, it was about fighting for the holy land and the pope back then was like a king. and why bring the usa into this? we all know the usa is retarded and so is its government so why bring that up when we're talkin about religion? smh...

"i have never heard of any religion preaching that?" stupid shit from you doc man you're better than that. of course they dont fuckin outright SAY it, we are superior or we are racist. christians have a HISTORY of looking down upon people since christianity was first the proprietary religion of white people, example would be the spaniards that went to the new wolrd and told the natives they were dumb and inferior to christian whites. YEA THATS NOT RACIST AHAHAHA
ALSO look at the indian caste system which was born out of their religion, arrogance over immigrants and workers and poorer class. that sort of shit is by product of religion.
ALSO look at muslims and jews, they have fought over this land for years, they hate each other (yes some do get along and can co-exist) but for how long was it "i hate you, we are better than you faggots".. for how long?? how many died??

im not saying you dont need religion for hate and arrogance (example nazis) but it certainly doesnt help lol

i have lived with both religious influence and non religious influence and at least i present arguments. niels im not close minded, this is my OPINION and because i have lived and experienced highly religious and non-religious experiences in the extreme and daily cases, i am allowed to form my opinion. i bet half the people here arguing with me dont have half the experience that i do regarding this subject.

didn't read the rest but why was it for their religion? WHy not expensive stuff like oil these days? EEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEHEHEHHEHEHHEHEHHE

[P4P3R]

Just read last few pages posted last night and I pretty much see this:

Generalization
Generalization
Bold, unproven and/or totally ridiculous statements
Generalization
Some sense but unclear what is meant
Finally someone who does actually make sense
Generalization
Generalization

I iz sad panda

[asrael]

I would LOVE to know what you base your opinion on wether or not you can proof that love exists on. Enlighten me

Already answered that indirectly with this, but most of you are just hopping from one thing to another ;s

''Ok ill ask you this, do you love your mom? you would reply: yes.
Then ill ask, proof it.''

I cant think of anything that could prove it. can you?
Except for the fact we as individuals have the ''feeling'' we describe as love, but that still isnt proof
And btw i do believe in it <3

Oh yeah that's what you were saying, because you don't know how to,and i don't know how too it's unprovable.
I'm flattererd but that's not the way things work.
And hey, feelings are real, and provable you know.

katana, there can be like 2934902 possibilies as why they saw the things they are describing..woah they couldve even been in simple sleep paralyzis and confused whatever they saw with 'god'.... mind is a powerful thing
I doubt there are 2934902 'possibilies' but i didnt check, so your right, that is a 'posibilie' but theres also a posibilie that the story's are true, simply said..you just have to trust in the judgement of the people that had these experiences like i said before, ofc there are also shitloads of story's where it wasnt a near death exp or w.e, but its not proof no i know that, but if theyre normal people and they are genuinly true about it, why doubt them? thats how i see it atleast.. anyway rq this topic bye

So, what makes them normale people and 'genuinely true about it'. Even though they might really think that they've seen god, they would be genuine but they still wouldn't be true.
Why doubt them then? Isn't it normal to question, especially about these kinda things ?

i wasnt gonna post any more in this topic but you made me wojtek lol. religion WAS behind the crusades you moron, it was about fighting for the holy land and the pope back then was like a king. and why bring the usa into this? we all know the usa is retarded and so is its government so why bring that up when we're talkin about religion? smh...

"i have never heard of any religion preaching that?" stupid shit from you doc man you're better than that. of course they dont fuckin outright SAY it, we are superior or we are racist. christians have a HISTORY of looking down upon people since christianity was first the proprietary religion of white people, example would be the spaniards that went to the new wolrd and told the natives they were dumb and inferior to christian whites. YEA THATS NOT RACIST AHAHAHA
ALSO look at the indian caste system which was born out of their religion, arrogance over immigrants and workers and poorer class. that sort of shit is by product of religion.
ALSO look at muslims and jews, they have fought over this land for years, they hate each other (yes some do get along and can co-exist) but for how long was it "i hate you, we are better than you faggots".. for how long?? how many died??

im not saying you dont need religion for hate and arrogance (example nazis) but it certainly doesnt help lol

i have lived with both religious influence and non religious influence and at least i present arguments. niels im not close minded, this is my OPINION and because i have lived and experienced highly religious and non-religious experiences in the extreme and daily cases, i am allowed to form my opinion. i bet half the people here arguing with me dont have half the experience that i do regarding this subject.

Are you sure you're not close-minded?
Eveyone has an opinion, thus noone is close-minded? Or do you mean to say that religious people don't have an opinion ?
Just because you have reasons to back up your opinion,not arguing how right they are, doesn't mean that you're not close-minded. Look up what it means, than you MIGHT see.
Now i don't like to discuss your close-mindedness, but it's not much of a discussion at all this way : (

[maniman]

oh yeah, how come?

just to make it easy without bringing 100's of science articles up, science will be closer to proving a sort of god excists then that it wouldnt
all the top notch scientists and researchers today and the theorys they come up with is just sick(like wauw omgwtfbbq sick). like paranormal universes(Michio Kaku) for example. if you think about all these theorys and what will be possible if these theorys can be proven a God or Godlike beings, to us, will certainly excist.

some of these theorys are so close to be proven true, some for decades already, but still all the textbooks you learn from have theorys from the 1950's/1990's with much less substational evidence for these theorys to be true then all the new theories out today.

and the more personal question you asked if i believe in God? Man look life is way to simple for this to be it all, life doesnt even make sense, its just an experience, a ride(like that comedian said, ehmm Bill Hicks) in 3d surroundings. i'm not saying when you die you be born again on some other planet or kingdom of god. you just go back from where you came from. I spoke with alot of people and lately with my sister. I have very vague memories(since day one im human i have this memory) of some sort of 'life' before i was born, i lived in a world of light, then i fell.. Then i was a human being, to keep it short. Well guess what, my sister has the exact same memory but slightly different, but same surroundings, and 'light' and being born on earth all of a sudden SO THATS VERY WIERD Alot of people have these kind of memories.

When i just learned to talk all of a sudden i said to my mother i had a past life and another mother. I was like 3y/o. I dont even rmemebr i said those things. How can a 3y/o lie about this stuff? All fantasy right?

So i believe in God if you want to put it that way i guess, this is just what i believe :s Heres half of my life story but idc xD

We have a dutch show called Paranormal Children, its wtfomfgbbq sick to watch. Its very hard for me to believe all these children lie. For the dutch people, you should watch some episodes.

Edited by mani-tzu, 04 January 2011 - 11:57 AM.

[asrael]

To adress the last point right now, i'll read the rest later:

Even though they might not lie, they might not be telling the truth either.

By that i mean that if they truly believe they're paranormal and have some paranormal contact, it might still just be their imagination for example.

[Juul]

'Love' imo, is an emotion. It's a weird concept, yet it's just biology

chemistry (A)

[asrael]

It involves chemicals, is biology.
Neuroscience to be more precise, which involves a lot of biochemistry, yes.

[Juul]

huggs and kisses!

[scatman]

Are you sure you're not close-minded?
Eveyone has an opinion, thus noone is close-minded? Or do you mean to say that religious people don't have an opinion ?
Just because you have reasons to back up your opinion,not arguing how right they are, doesn't mean that you're not close-minded. Look up what it means, than you MIGHT see.
Now i don't like to discuss your close-mindedness, but it's not much of a discussion at all this way : (

techincally an opinion is close minded because you formulated it and thats what you will stick to...
and yes i do have reasons to back myself up and they actually are valid ones, please do point out what i have said that is wrong. and remember for something to be wrong you must have proof of an opposite statement that can be corroborated. i have only cited my experiences which you cannot deny since they happened to me and not you and for the simple statements of history i made which can be found in any decent history book or source.

[Activee]

I have my phylosophy exam tomorrow i didn't read the topic so Idk what it is about tho.

just to make it easy without bringing 100's of science articles up, science will be closer to proving a sort of god excists then that it wouldnt

Not in any way man. None of the sciences discover can prove anything about a god, (except it can contradict what the bible say). That's just your opinion when you read all these sciences things(if its so damn nicely done a god is behind it)

well I just woke up I dunno if i'm very logical

Generalizing again.

I ask you, why do you think believing in science over religion is more rational. Because you think for yourself? You clearly don't seem to.

dude come on ! Sciences is based on concret, on rationality, religion is based on believe. That's just a fact

Edited by Activee, 04 January 2011 - 04:44 PM.

[maniman]

Not in any way man. None of the sciences discover can prove anything about a god, (except it can contradict what the bible say). That's just your opinion when you read all these sciences things(if its so damn nicely done a god is behind it)

dude come on ! Sciences is based on concret, on rationality, religion is based on believe. That's just a fact

im not saying it proves god. im saying the balance in science is proving more and more that a god(tons of things can be godlike to us, im nto talking about the childish vision of a physical god in this realm, it can be w/e) is likely to excist then that it doesnt.

if for example parallel universes excist then theres no doubt other inteligent beings excist of wich they maybe created us, then we will consider them god. now i dont believe in parrellel universe theory but this can almost be done with every theory. so every theory has blind spots in wich a god can be placed. therefor the balance of god or no god in science is proving more towards a god. its science itself.